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  • #31
    Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
    That Tweet seems rather general in the sense that Mueller is, broadly speaking investigating Trump.
    Where is the "broadly speaking" in the statement that: "I am being investigated for firing the FBI Director[...]" It appears rather specific.

    And again was the original statement fake news or not?
    "Yes. President Trump is a huge embarrassment. And it’s an embarrassment to evangelical Christianity that there appear to be so many who will celebrate precisely the aspects that I see Biblically as most lamentable and embarrassing." Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler Jr.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
      That Tweet seems rather general in the sense that Mueller is, broadly speaking investigating Trump.

      Here's what the President had to say specifically about the the Washington Compost story:

      "They made up a phony collusion with the Russians story, found zero proof, so now they go for obstruction of justice on the phony story. Nice"
      The man who told Trump to fire Comey, or at least wrote the memo suggesting he be fired, was deputy Atty Gen. R. Rosenstein, not Mueller. I can only guess by this that Trump is upset with Rosenstein for breaking under the pressure and bringing on a special prosecutor. Maybe he will fire Rosenstein next if Rosenstein refuses to fire Mueller. At any rate, even your hero himself recognizes that its not fake news. Trump is under investigation for obstruction of justice and or abuse of power and that opens the door to any and all things connecting Trump with the collusion investigation, including his financial dealings with Russia.

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      • #33
        Seems like it's a good week to be a lawyer, as everyone is hiring:

        Special Counsel investigator Robert Muller hires 13 lawyers for his office and plans to hire more
        VP Pence hires lawyer to deal with Russia probe inquiries
        Trump's personal lawyer hires a lawyer for himself
        "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
        "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
        "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Charles View Post
          You seem to trust Trump on twitter: "I am being investigated for firing the FBI Director by the man who told me to fire the FBI Director! Witch Hunt"

          https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...01471999864833

          So, was it fake news that he was under investigation?
          It appears we will not get Spako to answer. But hey, I guess we can figure out ourselves...
          "Yes. President Trump is a huge embarrassment. And it’s an embarrassment to evangelical Christianity that there appear to be so many who will celebrate precisely the aspects that I see Biblically as most lamentable and embarrassing." Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler Jr.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by JimL View Post
            The man who told Trump to fire Comey, or at least wrote the memo suggesting he be fired, was deputy Atty Gen. R. Rosenstein, not Mueller. I can only guess by this that Trump is upset with Rosenstein for breaking under the pressure and bringing on a special prosecutor. Maybe he will fire Rosenstein next if Rosenstein refuses to fire Mueller. At any rate, even your hero himself recognizes that its not fake news. Trump is under investigation for obstruction of justice and or abuse of power and that opens the door to any and all things connecting Trump with the collusion investigation, including his financial dealings with Russia.

            Rosenstein just said you should not trust stories with anonymous sources, maybe you will listen to him

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            Deputy AG Rod Rosenstein warns about anonymous sources


            Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein warned the public Thursday night about stories attributed to anonymous sources.

            "Americans should exercise caution before accepting as true any stories attributed to anonymous 'officials,' particularly when they do not identify the country – let alone the branch or agency of government – with which the alleged sources supposedly are affiliated," Rosenstein said in a brief statement released by the Justice Department.

            "Americans should be skeptical about anonymous allegations. The Department of Justice has a long-established policy to neither confirm nor deny such allegations."
            http://www.cbsnews.com/news/deputy-a...ymous-sources/

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            • #36
              Trump is right, If the guy who advised him to fire Comey is now investigating him for firing Comey -- how is that not a witch hunt? Rosenstein should recuse himself and fire Meuller. Rosenstein himself is involved in the situation and that is a conflict of interest.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                Trump is right, If the guy who advised him to fire Comey is now investigating him for firing Comey -- how is that not a witch hunt?
                Do we know that it is right? I have not heard anyone but Trump make that statement. I would not take his word for it.
                "Yes. President Trump is a huge embarrassment. And it’s an embarrassment to evangelical Christianity that there appear to be so many who will celebrate precisely the aspects that I see Biblically as most lamentable and embarrassing." Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler Jr.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Charles View Post
                  Do we know that it is right? I have not heard anyone but Trump make that statement. I would not take his word for it.
                  rosenstein's memo shows that he advised trump to fire comey

                  "Although the President has the power to remove an FBI director, the decision should not be taken lightly. I agree with the nearly unanimous opinions of former Department officials. The way the Director handled the conclusion of the email investigation was wrong. As a result, the FBI is unlikely to regain public and congressional trust until it has a Director who understands the gravity of the mistakes and pledges never to repeat them. Having refused to admit his errors, the Director cannot be expected to implement the necessary corrective actions."

                  https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...otated/526116/

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                    rosenstein's memo shows that he advised trump to fire comey

                    "Although the President has the power to remove an FBI director, the decision should not be taken lightly. I agree with the nearly unanimous opinions of former Department officials. The way the Director handled the conclusion of the email investigation was wrong. As a result, the FBI is unlikely to regain public and congressional trust until it has a Director who understands the gravity of the mistakes and pledges never to repeat them. Having refused to admit his errors, the Director cannot be expected to implement the necessary corrective actions."

                    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...otated/526116/
                    Thanks
                    "Yes. President Trump is a huge embarrassment. And it’s an embarrassment to evangelical Christianity that there appear to be so many who will celebrate precisely the aspects that I see Biblically as most lamentable and embarrassing." Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler Jr.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                      Trump is right, If the guy who advised him to fire Comey is now investigating him for firing Comey -- how is that not a witch hunt? Rosenstein should recuse himself and fire Meuller. Rosenstein himself is involved in the situation and that is a conflict of interest.
                      For one thing, Rosensteins memo was not the reason for Comey's firing, and thats according to Trump himself, "I was going to fire him anyway, as a matter of fact, I said to myself this whole Russia thing is nonsense." Then he told his Russian spy pals in the white House, "Hey guys, I got rid of Comey, that Russia thing was a real burden, thats taken off." So, since Rosensteins memo is not why Trump fired Comey, since Comey was fired because of the Russia investigation, Rosenstein has nothing to do with the firing. Unless Trump wants to change his mind again, and blame it on Rosensteins Memo. LOL.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                        Trump is right, If the guy who advised him to fire Comey is now investigating him for firing Comey -- how is that not a witch hunt? Rosenstein should recuse himself and fire Meuller. Rosenstein himself is involved in the situation and that is a conflict of interest.
                        Trump would not be in the trouble he's in if he had just left it at Rosenstein's initial report, but he didn't. He subsequently made it clear that the reason he fired Comey was over the Russian investigation whereby his own team was being investigated. Thus the matter evolved to obstruction of justice into the Russian matter and Rosenstein appointed Robert Mueller as a special counsel to investigate it.
                        “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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                        • #42
                          Two stories from Breitbart. The first one is a reprint of an AP story:

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                          Speaking on NBC’s “Meet the Press” Sunday, attorney Jay Sekulow said the “president is not under investigation by the special counsel.” He said Trump’s statement on Twitter Friday was specifically in response to a story in The Washington Post about the expanding probe into Russia’s election meddling.

                          The president wrote on Twitter: “I am being investigated for firing the FBI Director by the man who told me to fire the FBI Director! Witch Hunt.” The message apparently referred to Rod Rosenstein, the deputy attorney general whose role leading the federal investigation has become increasingly complicated.

                          Sekulow said Trump “is not and has not been under investigation.”

                          http://www.breitbart.com/news/the-la...investigation/

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                          So much for "anonymous sources", huh?

                          Next up, Newt Gingrich suggests that Comey is probably being investigated for leaking to the press.

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                          Sunday on ABC’s “This Week,” former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich pointed out that no one knows who is under investigation by special counsel Robert Mueller in the Russian collusion probe.

                          Gingrich said former FBI Director James Comey, “deliberately leaked to a college professor to leak to “The New York Times” for the purpose of getting a special counsel.”

                          He added, “Comey may be under investigation.”

                          http://www.breitbart.com/video/2017/...investigation/

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                          Interesting.
                          Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                          But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                          Than a fool in the eyes of God


                          From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                            Two stories from Breitbart. The first one is a reprint of an AP story:

                            ----------

                            Speaking on NBC’s “Meet the Press” Sunday, attorney Jay Sekulow said the “president is not under investigation by the special counsel.” He said Trump’s statement on Twitter Friday was specifically in response to a story in The Washington Post about the expanding probe into Russia’s election meddling.

                            The president wrote on Twitter: “I am being investigated for firing the FBI Director by the man who told me to fire the FBI Director! Witch Hunt.” The message apparently referred to Rod Rosenstein, the deputy attorney general whose role leading the federal investigation has become increasingly complicated.

                            Sekulow said Trump “is not and has not been under investigation.”

                            http://www.breitbart.com/news/the-la...investigation/

                            ----------

                            So much for "anonymous sources", huh?

                            Next up, Newt Gingrich suggests that Comey is probably being investigated for leaking to the press.

                            ----------

                            Sunday on ABC’s “This Week,” former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich pointed out that no one knows who is under investigation by special counsel Robert Mueller in the Russian collusion probe.

                            Gingrich said former FBI Director James Comey, “deliberately leaked to a college professor to leak to “The New York Times” for the purpose of getting a special counsel.”

                            He added, “Comey may be under investigation.”

                            http://www.breitbart.com/video/2017/...investigation/

                            ----------

                            Interesting.
                            Yes that is interesting.

                            It appears rather interesting to me that the president himself writes: "I am being investigated for firing the FBI Director by the man who told me to fire the FBI Director! Witch Hunt"

                            Then, despite that tweet, we are told, that Trump is not under investigation.

                            It appears that either he is under investigation or he has been lying.

                            In order to avoid this completely logical conclusion, they have come up with a story that goes along the lines that the tweet was not about reporting facts but was a response to a report in The Washington Post. Trump says absolutely nothing about that in the tweet. So there is no way, we could have known, and even those who support him in here never mentioned that option.

                            So it appears he is either under investigation, lying or, perhaps, his communication skills are extremely bad and he has got no idea on how to make references, how people will understand the tweet “I am being investigated” and so on.

                            Perhaps if he says “I will build the wall” we are only to take it as a statement that according to some report, he is going to build a wall?

                            But he is surrounded by people like Spicer who seems to have no shame when it comes to turning nonsense into facts. That is, alternative facts of course.
                            "Yes. President Trump is a huge embarrassment. And it’s an embarrassment to evangelical Christianity that there appear to be so many who will celebrate precisely the aspects that I see Biblically as most lamentable and embarrassing." Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler Jr.

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                            • #44
                              Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                              But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                              Than a fool in the eyes of God


                              From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                              • #45
                                It's in no way unreasonable to suggest the President was responding to the WaPo story.
                                Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                                But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                                Than a fool in the eyes of God


                                From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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