Why does Paul lie?

[TheWall]

Wait. The apostles were messengers of God. So to say Paul got his nessage from God is technically true considering the apostles mission was to spread the word of God.

[Sparko]

Wait. The apostles were messengers of God. So to say Paul got his nessage from God is technically true considering the apostles mission was to spread the word of God.

That would be stretching it.

[One Bad Pig]

Wait. The apostles were messengers of God. So to say Paul got his nessage from God is technically true considering the apostles mission was to spread the word of God.

Yes, but while Paul was at pains to assure that they were speaking the same message, he insisted that he got it independently of them.

[tabibito]

Paul (according to scripture) "I received from the Lord."
Paul (according: to Aractus) "I received directly from the Lord."

Oh dear.

[RhinestoneCowboy]

Paul says it's ok to lie as long as you're lying for Jesus.

"But what does it matter? The important thing is that in every way, whether from false motives or true, Christ is preached. And because of this I rejoice. Yes, and I will continue to rejoice,"
http://biblehub.com/philippians/1-18.htm

[Sparko]

Paul says it's ok to lie as long as you're lying for Jesus.

"But what does it matter? The important thing is that in every way, whether from false motives or true, Christ is preached. And because of this I rejoice. Yes, and I will continue to rejoice,"
http://biblehub.com/philippians/1-18.htm

great cherrypicking.


Phil 1 15 It is true that some preach Christ out of envy and rivalry, but others out of goodwill. 16 The latter do so out of love, knowing that I am put here for the defense of the gospel. 17 The former preach Christ out of selfish ambition, not sincerely, supposing that they can stir up trouble for me while I am in chains. 18 But what does it matter? The important thing is that in every way, whether from false motives or true, Christ is preached. And because of this I rejoice.

[RhinestoneCowboy]

great cherrypicking.


Phil 1 15 It is true that some preach Christ out of envy and rivalry, but others out of goodwill. 16 The latter do so out of love, knowing that I am put here for the defense of the gospel. 17 The former preach Christ out of selfish ambition, not sincerely, supposing that they can stir up trouble for me while I am in chains. 18 But what does it matter? The important thing is that in every way, whether from false motives or true, Christ is preached. And because of this I rejoice.

Yes, Paul has no problem with those that lie for Jesus. Paul affirms this because he's said to have "rejoiced."

[Sparko]

Yes, Paul has no problem with those that lie for Jesus. Paul affirms this because he's said to have "rejoiced."

he is talking about preaching MOTIVES, not the message. If they are preaching the same information for different motives that is not lying, is it?

[RhinestoneCowboy]

he is talking about preaching MOTIVES, not the message. If they are preaching the same information for different motives that is not lying, is it?

πρόφασις prophasis = pretense
http://lexiconcordance.com/greek/4392.html

pre·tense
noun
noun: pretence

1. an attempt to make something that is not the case appear true.
synonyms: make-believe, putting on an act, acting, dissembling, shamming, faking, feigning, simulation, dissimulation, play-acting, posturing.

2. a claim, especially a false or ambitious one.

[Sparko]

πρόφασις prophasis = pretense
http://lexiconcordance.com/greek/4392.html

pre·tense
noun
noun: pretence

1. an attempt to make something that is not the case appear true.
synonyms: make-believe, putting on an act, acting, dissembling, shamming, faking, feigning, simulation, dissimulation, play-acting, posturing; More

2. a claim, especially a false or ambitious one.

he is clearly talking about motives. he says, "It is true that some preach Christ out of envy and rivalry, but others out of goodwill..."

[One Bad Pig]

Hey, I can play this game too!

RhinestoneCowboy says it's ok to lie.

it's ok to lie.

[RhinestoneCowboy]

he is clearly talking about motives. he says, "It is true that some preach Christ out of envy and rivalry, but others out of goodwill..."

And directly after that he says that even if they use pretense (falsehoods), as long as they're using them for Jesus then it's okay. Paul even rejoices at this fact!

Therefore, it's ok to use dishonest motives/tactics "lies" as long as it's for Jesus. Sounds just like you guys on this forum!

[Sparko]

And directly after that he says that even if they use pretense (falsehoods), as long as they're using them for Jesus then it's okay. Paul even rejoices at this fact!

Therefore, it's ok to use dishonest motives/tactics "lies" as long as it's for Jesus.

yeah directly after that BECAUSE he is referring to that! It was his 'example' of what he was talking about.

[RhinestoneCowboy]

yeah directly after that BECAUSE he is referring to that! It was his 'example' of what he was talking about.

So you agree that it's ok to use dishonest motives/tactics as long as it's for the glory of Jesus! Sounds consistent with your behavior on this forum so I guess I can't call you a hypocrite.

[tabibito]

he is talking about preaching MOTIVES, not the message. If they are preaching the same information for different motives that is not lying, is it?

There was that experiment conducted a while back where people had part of their brains disabled - the bit that deals with risk evaluation and conflict resolution. The result was a 30+% increase in atheistic tendencies. It does give cause for consideration.

It MIGHT explain the inability to distinguish between false motives and false preaching.