Apocalypse 9: A Chinese Army or the "Enlightenment"?

[spauline]

Physical Death or Supernatural Death?


Apocalypse 9: A Chinese Army, the Black Plague, or the "Enlightenment"?

In Apocalypse 9, it said that an army of 20,000 X 10,000 (myriads of myriads) killed a third of mankind.


Which would be worse, that a war of 200 million soldiers kill a third of mankind literally, that is physically, or that myriads of myriads of worldly religious ideas and purely worldly ideologies killed a third of man SUPERNATURALLY, by "causing charity to grow cold in the many", stripping them of a dependence upon God for revelation and grace?


For this reason, it would make more sense for the sixth trumpet, or second great woe, of apocalypse to be something like the so-called "Enlightenment", which murdered supernatural goodness in its adherents, telling them they only need natural knowledge and goodness apart from supernatural revelation and assistance, rather than the Black Plague, in which a third of Europe perished only in a physical sense.

For which is worse? To die physically in pain but have the last rites and attain Eternal life, or to die supernaturally while still alive, thinking you don't need God to tell you things or help you, that you can obey Him on your own power and figure out those truths of His that you need with your own brain, die in comfort, and pass into eternal emptiness?

"And because iniquity will abound, the charity of the many will grow cold," Jesus, Matthew 24:10-13

For note, 10 is a symbol of the world in the Bible, at least on one level. For example, the beast and dragon of apocalypse have ten horns, as does the final, or fourth, beast of Daniel 7. We have seen that "2" sacraments summarize all of our religion, the Baptismal spirit (faith and repentance), and the heavenly Marriage, eternal life with God. Hence, 10 X 1000 can be purely worldly [10 ] ideologies confounded innumerable [1000], so that 2 X 10 X 1000 can be worldly [10] religion [2] confounded innumerably [1000], even as the Enlightenment deists and rationalists had as many theories of natural religion as their numbers, and the subsequent purely worldly philosophers similarly.

[eschaton]

Physical Death or Supernatural Death?


Apocalypse 9: A Chinese Army, the Black Plague, or the "Enlightenment"?

In Apocalypse 9, it said that an army of 20,000 X 10,000 (myriads of myriads) killed a third of mankind.


Which would be worse, that a war of 200 million soldiers kill a third of mankind literally, that is physically, or that myriads of myriads of worldly religious ideas and purely worldly ideologies killed a third of man SUPERNATURALLY, by "causing charity to grow cold in the many", stripping them of a dependence upon God for revelation and grace?


For this reason, it would make more sense for the sixth trumpet, or second great woe, of apocalypse to be something like the so-called "Enlightenment", which murdered supernatural goodness in its adherents, telling them they only need natural knowledge and goodness apart from supernatural revelation and assistance, rather than the Black Plague, in which a third of Europe perished only in a physical sense.

For which is worse? To die physically in pain but have the last rites and attain Eternal life, or to die supernaturally while still alive, thinking you don't need God to tell you things or help you, that you can obey Him on your own power and figure out those truths of His that you need with your own brain, die in comfort, and pass into eternal emptiness?

"And because iniquity will abound, the charity of the many will grow cold," Jesus, Matthew 24:10-13

For note, 10 is a symbol of the world in the Bible, at least on one level. For example, the beast and dragon of apocalypse have ten horns, as does the final, or fourth, beast of Daniel 7. We have seen that "2" sacraments summarize all of our religion, the Baptismal spirit (faith and repentance), and the heavenly Marriage, eternal life with God. Hence, 10 X 1000 can be purely worldly [10 ] ideologies confounded innumerable [1000], so that 2 X 10 X 1000 can be worldly [10] religion [2] confounded innumerably [1000], even as the Enlightenment deists and rationalists had as many theories of natural religion as their numbers, and the subsequent purely worldly philosophers similarly.

In chapter IV Barnabas seems to associate 10 kingdoms with the antichrist and "Jewish error". 10 is sometimes a symbol of the Law and the old covenant, as in the 10 commandments.

[spauline]

In chapter IV Barnabas seems to associate 10 kingdoms with the antichrist and "Jewish error". 10 is sometimes a symbol of the Law and the old covenant, as in the 10 commandments.

thank you, eschaton, that is interesting. Daniel 7 is considered by some to have a long reaching fulfillment at the end of the world, and some ECFs conjecture the NT Antichrist will a fulfillment but flipside of the OT ANtichrist figure, Antiochus IV Ephipanies. In OT times, Antiochus was a blasphemous GENTILE king attempting to impose horrible torture and death on JEWS who refuse to apostatize from OT Cov. It is then rumored that the NT Antichrist will be a secular JEW attempting to impose apostasy from NEW law on GENTILE Christians or face torture and death


Also, I have read the ten commandments applied to the beast and dragon, in that the dragon fights with the ten commandments, sowing iniquity in history. This gives an interesting interpretation of the beast ten kings in Apocalypse 17. They burn and eat the flesh of the Whore of Babylon. This can symbolize that the apostate and wicked world of the beast apostasy that resists the ten commandments will bring an end to the decadent society that it builds for itself, in that eventually, materialistically wonderful kingdoms of sin and blasphemy against God come crashing down intrinsically because the eventual fruits of ignoring God and His Law is the collapse of human civilization, since without the observation of the Decalogue, man destroys himself through his vices

[eschaton]

That is interesting. It reminds me of these verses.

Dan 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.


Dan 11:28 Then shall he return into his land with great riches; and his heart shall be against the holy covenant; and he shall do exploits, and return to his own land.

thank you, eschaton, that is interesting. Daniel 7 is considered by some to have a long reaching fulfillment at the end of the world, and some ECFs conjecture the NT Antichrist will a fulfillment but flipside of the OT ANtichrist figure, Antiochus IV Ephipanies. In OT times, Antiochus was a blasphemous GENTILE king attempting to impose horrible torture and death on JEWS who refuse to apostatize from OT Cov. It is then rumored that the NT Antichrist will be a secular JEW attempting to impose apostasy from NEW law on GENTILE Christians or face torture and death


Also, I have read the ten commandments applied to the beast and dragon, in that the dragon fights with the ten commandments, sowing iniquity in history. This gives an interesting interpretation of the beast ten kings in Apocalypse 17. They burn and eat the flesh of the Whore of Babylon. This can symbolize that the apostate and wicked world of the beast apostasy that resists the ten commandments will bring an end to the decadent society that it builds for itself, in that eventually, materialistically wonderful kingdoms of sin and blasphemy against God come crashing down intrinsically because the eventual fruits of ignoring God and His Law is the collapse of human civilization, since without the observation of the Decalogue, man destroys himself through his vices

[MegaHertz]

Re:17:3:
So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness:
and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast,
full of names of blasphemy,
having seven heads and ten horns.

Re:17:7:
And the angel said unto me,
Wherefore didst thou marvel?
I will tell thee the mystery of the woman,
and of the beast that carrieth her,
which hath the seven heads and ten horns.
Re:17:8:
The beast that thou sawest was,
and is not;
and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit,
and go into perdition:
and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder,
whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world,
when they behold the beast that was,
and is not, and yet is.

Re:17:12:
And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings,
which have received no kingdom as yet;
but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
Re:17:13:
These have one mind,
and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.
Re:17:14:
These shall make war with the Lamb,
and the Lamb shall overcome them:
for he is Lord of lords,
and King of kings:
and they that are with him are called,
and chosen,
and faithful.

If the above is referencing 10 actual men who yield great power during the 42 months the beast is given then the release of 4 fallen angels could also reference the actual deaths of 1/3 if the worlds people, over 2 billion at today's count. Since the first woe consumes 5 months of the 42 months the there is a space of time of 37 months (1110 days) for the 2nd woe to unfold. The 10 m3n would be chosen at the beginning of the 1st woe rather than some 5 months later, if you want to referencer China specifically then that is where most of the 1/3 that die will come from, in theory. Jer.25 gives a list of who will be involved and it involves every Nation on earth so those 10 men get their power from behind the scenes but it would certainly cover the 'elite' of all Nations who would control the political and corporate aspects of society, that would certainly cover all military and law enforcement people (and those that 'support them'.

The verse below is what one Holy Angel is capable of, there is no verse that says a fallen angel has lost any power.

2Ki:19:35:
And it came to pass that night,
that the angel of the LORD went out,
and smote in the camp of the Assyrians an hundred fourscore and five thousand:
and when they arose early in the morning,
behold,
they were all dead corpses.

Daniel 7 is no different when it comes to describing the 10 men as being physical entities doing physical 'works'. If it was a spiritual thing then the arrival of Jesus would be an event like Saul had rather than it being like the description below.

Da:7:23:
Thus he said,
The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth,
which shall be diverse from all kingdoms,
and shall devour the whole earth,
and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.
Da:7:24:
And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise:
and another shall rise after them;
and he shall be diverse from the first,
and he shall subdue three kings.

Jer:25:31:
A noise shall come even to the ends of the earth;
for the LORD hath a controversy with the nations,
he will plead with all flesh;
he will give them that are wicked to the sword,
saith the LORD.
Jer:25:32:
Thus saith the LORD of hosts,
Behold,
evil shall go forth from nation to nation,
and a great whirlwind shall be raised up from the coasts of the earth.
Jer:25:33:
And the slain of the LORD shall be at that day from one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth:
they shall not be lamented,
neither gathered,
nor buried;
they shall be dung upon the ground.

The number that die on the day that Jesus returns is 2/3 of the living, their punishment lasts for 1,000 years and at the Great White Throne they are made alive again when all their sins being paid in full.

Zec:13:8:
And it shall come to pass,
that in all the land,
saith the LORD,
two parts therein shall be cut off and die;
but the third shall be left therein.
Zec:13:9:
And I will bring the third part through the fire,
and will refine them as silver is refined,
and will try them as gold is tried:
they shall call on my name,
and I will hear them:
I will say,
It is my people:
and they shall say,
The LORD is my God.