Philandro Castile verdict

[JonathanL]

Is Finland an actual country?

No.

[seer]

No.

[JonathanL]

I should know, I live there.

[Teallaura]

I should know, I live there.

But, but, that's where the reindeer live when they aren't at the North Pole, isn't it?

[JonathanL]

But, but, that's where the reindeer live when they aren't at the North Pole, isn't it?

Reindeer don't go to the North Pole, silly.

[Roy]

Denmark, 2017 Population: 5,711,432

USA, 2017 Population: 326,442,756
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There might be some comparison issues here.

There might be. There might not. If there are, why would they lead to increasing the already ten-fold discrepancy, rather than decreasing it?

If the US became more like Denmark, why would it subsequently become less like Denmark?

[Roy]

It looked like Roy was just using the raw numbers which he knows better than do. I have no doubt the per capita is lower...

That was the per capita. Do you think I'm JM?

[seer]

I should know, I live there.

Actually I have been to Norway - I would have liked to have gone to Finland. I bet it is beautiful there...

[One Bad Pig]

Actually I have been to Norway - I would have liked to have gone to Finland. I bet it is beautiful there...

Same here.

[Teallaura]

Reindeer don't go to the North Pole, silly.

Do too! Santa needs them to fly his sleigh!

[Teallaura]

That was the per capita. Do you think I'm JM?

No, I don't think your JM - but it didn't look like it was per capita.

Personally, I'm very much pro-gun control - which is why I don't like poor arguments - they do more harm than good.

Denmark has little in common with the US so while the numbers are interesting, extrapolations from them aren't a great plan.

[Teallaura]

There might be. There might not. If there are, why would they lead to increasing the already ten-fold discrepancy, rather than decreasing it?

If the US became more like Denmark, why would it subsequently become less like Denmark?

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Not sure I'm following you. My point is that the two have so little in common that extrapolations from the data are suspect. Is the lower rate because they have tighter gun control or because they have a different cultural mindset (evidenced by a level of gun control neither obtainable nor desirable in the US)? I see no good way to determine which the case happens to be - assuming it's even one of the two.

Other countries do it is not a very compelling argument for why the US should do it. Since I favor Federal guidelines, I don't favor arguments I know play not only poorly but have substantial methodological issues.

[Starlight]

well think about it, ordinary citizens in the USA can and do own and carry firearms, in public. Yet you don't see mass shootouts and murders going on because of it.

We see a lot of mass shootings occurring in the US. And the gun murder rate is sky-high compared to gun-controlled countries.

Taking guns away from ordinary citizens would not change any of those numbers except perhaps accidental shootings. disarming the citizens only makes it easier for the criminals to have power, or the government.

You've heard of Australia right? They had a bad mass shooting, so they instituted serious gun control laws and did a huge gun buy-back program, and they have had zero mass-shootings since then. An article I saw this week noted their overall murder rate is now at a record low as well.

And when you say "disarming the citizens only makes it easier for the criminals to have power, or the government." I'm not sure what kind of point you're trying to make about the entire rest of the gun-controlled Western world. Are you trying to suggest Australia, New Zealand, the UK, Denmark are dictatorships? Or that we are run by criminals??? Your comments seem divorced from reality. And in a democratic society why is it bad for it to be "easier" for "the government" "to have power"? And do you seriously think any guns you own would stop the American government bashing down your door and locking you in a tiny cell in Guantanamo if they decided they wanted to?

[Starlight]

Is Finland an actual country?

It's a province of Russia that likes to pretend it's independent.

[Darth Executor]

Are you trying to suggest Australia, New Zealand, the UK, Denmark are dictatorships? Or that we are run by criminals???

Most certainly on both counts.

Your comments seem divorced from reality. And in a democratic society why is it bad for it to be "easier" for "the government" "to have power"? And do you seriously think any guns you own would stop the American government bashing down your door and locking you in a tiny cell in Guantanamo if they decided they wanted to?

Violent action by civillians has gotten the US government to behave better before. There haven't been any more Wacos after McVeigh's bomb-a-thon, for example.

Meanwhile the British government got away with arresting fathers trying to retreive their daughters from muslim pimps with absolutely no consequences. You are cattle at the mercy of crazy liberals who hate you and want to destroy you.