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  • Originally posted by Starlight View Post
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    Whatever. I don't accept Myth's non-apology and won't be talking to him further on this subject. Given he's a US police officer he clearly has a lot of skin in the game and isn't going to be reasonable on the topic. Ultimately if US police continue to make international headlines regularly by killing innocents and getting away with it then that's embarrassing for the US. Although at this point I am beginning to wonder if the US's international approval rating could get much lower. Trump's approval rating was in single digits in some European countries last time I looked.

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    It wasn't intended as an apology.

    As I specifically said, I WOULD have apologized to you if you hadn't continued to trash talk me after you got moderated the first time. I'm honestly amazed you keep ramping this up.
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    • Originally posted by Starlight View Post
      ? Curbing high rural suicide rates via guns here in NZ was a major motivation for enacting stricter gun control. If there's a gun around it's all to easy for a short period of depression to lead to a suicide. Without access to such an easy and quick method of suicide, people tend to think more about it and be slower to act on impulses.
      It's also easy to pop a handful of pills too, so when are we doing over the counter pill control? In truth, there's plenty of quick ways to commit suicide so the idea gun control saves people from suicide is a legend not based in evidence. The US ranks 48 on the 2015 list. Your country is only .3 points lower and the Us beats Japan, South Korea, Poland, and Belgium out by several points, despite stricter gun control laws in many of these countries. Sorry, but that sounds like a farce, just based on the evidence before us. I suggest you get a new argument since this isn't panning out.

      I didn't spot any online, so I plotted one myself. I grabbed the gun homicide rate data per state from here which happens to be for 2011 (plus looked up Alabama's 2011 data which was missing from that table), and plotted it against the gun-control-law rankings here. Thus giving this 5 minute Excel masterpiece:



      The correlation isn't as strong as for total gun deaths, but it does seem to be still there. That dotted trendline is auto-generated, and regardless of what flexibility I gave it, it consistently wanted to have a positive slope across the graph. Overall it would suggest that the strongest gun control laws as compared to the weakest ones, tend to cut the gun homicide rate by around a third and save approximately 1-1.5 lives per 100,000 people per year. On the national scale that suggests that the US could reduce the gun homicide rate by around 2000 lives per year by implementing California-level gun control laws across all states.
      You couldn't find any online because most gun grabbers are not interested in reality, but in spreading falsehoods and made up facts. Your chart totally destroys you claim because California's murder rate is slightly higher than Kansas', despite your own claims in reduction would happen if California level gun control was nation wide. Bottom line is other factors are at beyond gun laws on the books. If gun laws was all that was needed, Mexico and Brazil should be quite safe, but they are very dangerous countries with high gun deaths, despite stricter gun control laws than California has. More laws does nothing to make us safe and will do little to nothing to curb the violence.
      Last edited by lilpixieofterror; 06-23-2017, 11:48 PM.
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      • Originally posted by Teallaura View Post
        He's talking about private sales - and he's correct, the loophole exists, it's just not the real control problem.
        You are pretty limited still. You must comply with all gun laws and the ATF says you are still responsible for who you sell your guns to. Plus, how many shootings have been committed by this loophole? None I can think of. Straw buying, theft, black markets, or just having no previous criminal record is the more common method. Closing up this loophole would have prevented zero mass shootings, so I do think a legend is a fair thing to call this whole loophole thing as being.
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        • Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View Post
          Your chart totally destroys you claim because California's murder rate is slightly higher than Kansas',


          Don't worry, Starlight, your chart totally vindicates you claim because California's murder rate is much lower than Missouri'.
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          • Originally posted by Roy View Post


            Don't worry, Starlight, your chart totally vindicates you claim because California's murder rate is much lower than Missouri'.
            "Proof by one example" is the best kind of proof.
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            • Originally posted by Roy View Post


              Don't worry, Starlight, your chart totally vindicates you claim because California's murder rate is much lower than Missouri'.
              Originally posted by Starlight View Post
              "Proof by one example" is the best kind of proof.
              Yes because apparently Idaho, Kentucky, Vermont, Wyoming, Alaska, and Sourh Dakota, which all have both lower murder rates and looser gun control laws must have slipped both of your minds. Apparently it also slipped both of your minds that over half of the US states have lower murder rates, even though you tried to use California gun laws as proof of 'saving lives. When you two idiots are done showing you can't read your own charts. Perhaps you two might try to come up with a reason why strict gun control has done nothing for central and South America's gun violence problem. Keep trying.
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              • Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View Post
                You are pretty limited still. You must comply with all gun laws and the ATF says you are still responsible for who you sell your guns to. Plus, how many shootings have been committed by this loophole? None I can think of. Straw buying, theft, black markets, or just having no previous criminal record is the more common method. Closing up this loophole would have prevented zero mass shootings, so I do think a legend is a fair thing to call this whole loophole thing as being.
                Even if not much of a loophole, it does still exist - although I fully agree it's overblown as a problem.
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                • Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View Post
                  When you two idiots are done showing you can't read your own charts.
                  You just can't stand being wrong, can you.
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                  • Originally posted by Roy View Post
                    You just can't stand being wrong, can you.
                    That's pretty funny coming from the same person that runs away whenever he's proved wrong. Being wrong would mean I would have to actually be wrong. According to the chart given, over 2 dozen states beat California in having lower homicide rates, despite having less strict gun laws. Likewise, many South America and Central American countries have much higher homicide rates, despite even stricter gun control laws. Starlights own chart and other data shows that there is more to gun violence than merely gun control laws in place. Will you at least admit to that or will you run away, like you always do, when proved wrong?
                    Last edited by lilpixieofterror; 06-25-2017, 12:57 AM.
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                    • Originally posted by Teallaura View Post
                      Even if not much of a loophole, it does still exist - although I fully agree it's overblown as a problem.
                      Exist sure, is the issue with what's it's blamed for, no. I file this under true, but irrelevant. Closing up this loophole would solve nothing and create criminals out of people engaging in legimate business. I'm all for laws that prevent or reduce crime, safety, etc. I'm against laws that do none of that stuff and simply produce more regulation for zero reason.
                      "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
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                      • Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View Post
                        Exist sure, is the issue with what's it's blamed for, no. I file this under true, but irrelevant. Closing up this loophole would solve nothing and create criminals out of people engaging in legimate business. I'm all for laws that prevent or reduce crime, safety, etc. I'm against laws that do none of that stuff and simply produce more regulation for zero reason.
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                        • Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View Post
                          That's pretty funny coming from the same person that runs away whenever he's proved wrong. Being wrong would mean I would have to actually be wrong.
                          You actually were wrong. This claim of yours that a correlation is refuted because two cherry-picked points on the plot don't by themselves fit he trend is laughably, ignorantly wrong.
                          The correlation isn't as strong as for total gun deaths, but it does seem to be still there. That dotted trendline is auto-generated, and regardless of what flexibility I gave it, it consistently wanted to have a positive slope across the graph. Overall it would suggest that the strongest gun control laws as compared to the weakest ones, tend to cut the gun homicide rate by around a third and save approximately 1-1.5 lives per 100,000 people per year. On the national scale that suggests that the US could reduce the gun homicide rate by around 2000 lives per year by implementing California-level gun control laws across all states.
                          You couldn't find any online because most gun grabbers are not interested in reality, but in spreading falsehoods and made up facts. Your chart totally destroys you claim because California's murder rate is slightly higher than Kansas',
                          The rest of your post is just your usual attempt to save face by shifting goalposts and drawing me into a pointless discussion. I'm not going to waste any time on you.
                          Last edited by Roy; 06-25-2017, 04:24 AM.
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                          • Originally posted by Roy View Post
                            You actually were wrong. This claim of yours that a correlation is refuted because two cherry-picked points on the plot don't by themselves fit he trend is laughably, ignorantly wrong.The rest of your post is just your usual attempt to save face by shifting goalposts and drawing me into a pointless discussion. I'm not going to waste any time on you.
                            You are right. Sorry for overestimating your intelligence and thinking you could read a posted chart and thought you were actually smart enough to figure that I just picked one of the over 2 dozen examples readily available. Don't worry, I will remember that you're too dumb to read a chart. My mistake.
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                            • Originally posted by Darth Executor View Post
                              i can't find a video of the actual shooting, there's only video of the aftermath
                              I am amazed at how much more we know than those who had all the available information.
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                              • Originally posted by Jedidiah View Post
                                I am amazed at how much more we know than those who had all the available information.
                                Though they have skin in the game and we don't, so I think it's right not to be trusting of their accounts.
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