Food is our medicine

[aegis]

Hi all,

It is a big topic and interesting and relevant to everyone.

I do think one should eat more vegetable, less processed food, less salt, less sugar, exercise more, less overweight, less stress, sleep more, drink more water, laugh more, less angry, less jealous, more loving, more joyful, more forgiving, and one would live longer.

We know what to do but have no will power or perseverance or determination to do it.

If we work on those things we already know of, and less argument on those that are in the grey areas, we can improve our quality of life much better,

On meat and hamburger and tofu:
I think one should not go to extreme and should not jump to conclusion or throw the baby out with the bath water.

Many health food claim, such as.. by manipulating your diet and you can cure or avoid all degenerative diseases..are too sweeping and too extreme and not truth. There are some truth to that, but the devil is the in the detail, so one cannot make sweeping statement but apply each area to its applications.

For example: the statement: "all natural food are good for you, all processed food are bad for you."

There are some truth in that: many natural food are good. such as fruit apple, orange, vegetable, but natural food like lobster, red meat, coconut oil, may be bad for you. In extreme case, natural food like poisonous fish, poisonous mushroom are really bad for you.

Processed food like cheese, milk, dry raisins, oatmeal, cereal may be good for you.

Take another example, eating plant based food is better than eating animal based food. i.e. vegetarians are better .

Many vegetarians eat a lot of carbohydrate to compensate for the lack of animal protein. They can absorb plant protein, but many times they have carbohydrate in them. Too much carbohydrate leads to obesity which is bad.

My point is that one should not be superficial but go deeper that there might be certain trend and North America is definitely over eating and have too much junk food, one should not have over sweeping statement but be educated and wise enough to distinguish the nuiance and details

regards

aegis

[disciple100]

Hi all,

It is a big topic and interesting and relevant to everyone.

I do think one should eat more vegetable, less processed food, less salt, less sugar, exercise more, less overweight, less stress, sleep more, drink more water, laugh more, less angry, less jealous, more loving, more joyful, more forgiving, and one would live longer.

We know what to do but have no will power or perseverance or determination to do it.

If we work on those things we already know of, and less argument on those that are in the grey areas, we can improve our quality of life much better,

On meat and hamburger and tofu:
I think one should not go to extreme and should not jump to conclusion or throw the baby out with the bath water.

Many health food claim, such as.. by manipulating your diet and you can cure or avoid all degenerative diseases..are too sweeping and too extreme and not truth. There are some truth to that, but the devil is the in the detail, so one cannot make sweeping statement but apply each area to its applications.

For example: the statement: "all natural food are good for you, all processed food are bad for you."

There are some truth in that: many natural food are good. such as fruit apple, orange, vegetable, but natural food like lobster, red meat, coconut oil, may be bad for you. In extreme case, natural food like poisonous fish, poisonous mushroom are really bad for you.

Processed food like cheese, milk, dry raisins, oatmeal, cereal may be good for you.

Take another example, eating plant based food is better than eating animal based food. i.e. vegetarians are better .

Many vegetarians eat a lot of carbohydrate to compensate for the lack of animal protein. They can absorb plant protein, but many times they have carbohydrate in them. Too much carbohydrate leads to obesity which is bad.

My point is that one should not be superficial but go deeper that there might be certain trend and North America is definitely over eating and have too much junk food, one should not have over sweeping statement but be educated and wise enough to distinguish the nuiance and details

regards

aegis

As with anything, and everything, discernment is important. Rarely is it ever clearly cut and dry, as I've learned time and time again.

[Cow Poke]

While I do agree with you regarding the WAPF, and even Mercola, the research that has been conducted suggests that raw milk may help with allergies and asthma.

I think you'd be better off with local raw honey.

[Jedidiah]

I think you'd be better off with local raw honey.

Raw local honey can work wonders with allergies. But. . . . it depends on what you are allergic to, and some variations in transmission. For example bees do not normally collect wind born pollens (there are exceptions). Bottom line is it is worth trying, but like a lot of "natural food medicine" it varies greatly. I have known men who had dramatic relief from local honey. One man was so impressed he took up beekeeping. Others are not so positively impacted.

[disciple100]

I think you'd be better off with local raw honey.

Raw local honey can work wonders with allergies. But. . . . it depends on what you are allergic to, and some variations in transmission. For example bees do not normally collect wind born pollens (there are exceptions). Bottom line is it is worth trying, but like a lot of "natural food medicine" it varies greatly. I have known men who had dramatic relief from local honey. One man was so impressed he took up beekeeping. Others are not so positively impacted.

Yes, I have heard that about local raw honey. It is one of the best foods out there, much better to use to sweeten things than sugar as well.

I know people who say they have more stamina and energy after drinking raw grassfed milk. Everyone isn't the same, some people have different nutritional needs than others, that is a factor as well. The first part is eliminating what needs to be removed, the next part is filling the gap with what needs to be there, and that is difficult for people who are chained to their 'junk foods'. I'm not saying healthier foods taste bad, quite the contrary (though that may not have been the case years ago), but most people on the SAD program are addicted to their flavor-enhanced (via excitotoxins) sugar foods, so much so that anything else just will not take pending a crisis of extreme severity.

[RBerman]

I know people who say they have more stamina and energy after drinking raw grassfed milk.

Of course that's not a scientific way to establish anything. Anecdotes are almost worthless for answering questions, only for helping to formulate questions which can be researched more carefully.

[Jedidiah]

Yes, I have heard that about local raw honey. It is one of the best foods out there, much better to use to sweeten things than sugar as well.

Honey actually is sugar. It is made up of dextrose, levulose and sucrose. Raw honey does have some advantages, and since the sugars are mostly simple sugars, they do not deplete B vitamins.

[disciple100]

Of course that's not a scientific way to establish anything. Anecdotes are almost worthless for answering questions, only for helping to formulate questions which can be researched more carefully.

I never said it was. For some people anecdotes are all that is necessary, others require more factual data. I think it is good to have both so that you know what is happening in your body and how it is going to most likely feel when it happens based on other's perspective. Not only that, but most people tend to remember the anecdote better than the facts.

Honey actually is sugar. It is made up of dextrose, levulose and sucrose. Raw honey does have some advantages, and since the sugars are mostly simple sugars, they do not deplete B vitamins.

Apparently it also has some topical uses as well.

[RBerman]

I never said it was. For some people anecdotes are all that is necessary, others require more factual data. I think it is good to have both so that you know what is happening in your body and how it is going to most likely feel when it happens based on other's perspective. Not only that, but most people tend to remember the anecdote better than the facts.

People do remember anecdotes better than raw data. So much so that people tend to skip the part about careful research entirely, jumping straight from anecdote to conclusion. I'm just cautious whenever the response to a question is an anecdote, because anecdotes can make people think they're hearing a reliable answer to the question, when that's often not the case.

[supton]

I'm not sure how all research starts off, but I'm guessing that it often starts by attempting to prove or disprove an antedote.

[Cow Poke]

I'm not sure how all research starts off, but I'm guessing that it often starts by attempting to prove or disprove an antedote.

anecdote!

But interesting thought!

[supton]

anecdote!

But interesting thought!

Unless if you have evidence to prove my antedote wrong, it sounds like hearsay to me...

[Sparko]

anecdotal evidence proves that 99.999% of facts and statistics are just made up on the spot.

[supton]

I just held a poll among the voices in my head, and the conclusion was 80% of statistics were made up. So there.

[Cow Poke]

Unless if you have evidence to prove my antedote wrong, it sounds like hearsay to me...

WHY do I even try to talk to you!

From now on, I'm not gonna HEAR anything you SAY.

(hmmm... come to think of it, I can't hear what you say NOW!)