Wine for people who don't drink wine

[KingsGambit]

I think the rejection of alcohol by Christians for religious reasons is unbiblical and wrong, but I'm okay with any other reason.

I don't quite agree - while I am a bit of a craft beer enthusiast, I am willing to recognize that for some, drinking may be sin if they cannot do so in confidence (the "weaker brother" principle), or if they have a past history with alcoholism and feel the need to make a clean break. In this case, the Christian would be perfectly fine to use religious reasoning in his choice not to drink. However, I think what you're saying is that it's unbiblical to say it's inherently wrong for all to drink, and I agree.

Anyways, sorry, I know I'm completely derailing the thread. Personally, I just can't stand the taste of wine.

[One Bad Pig]

I don't quite agree - while I am a bit of a craft beer enthusiast, I am willing to recognize that for some, drinking may be sin if they cannot do so in confidence (the "weaker brother" principle),

If someone abstains because they're just not comfortable with the idea of partaking, fine. But to say that something Jesus did is a sin?

or if they have a past history with alcoholism and feel the need to make a clean break. In this case, the Christian would be perfectly fine to use religious reasoning in his choice not to drink.

I don't see that as religious reasoning.

Anyways, sorry, I know I'm completely derailing the thread. Personally, I just can't stand the taste of wine.

Heh. I think dry wine is used to cleanse the palate at fancy meals because by comparison it makes everything else taste better.

I enjoy sweeter wines though.

[Manwë Súlimo]

I believe it's permissible to drink alcohol, but we need to be careful. For one thing, the ancient world didn't have anything nearly as strong as some of the alcoholic drinks we have and in any case, drunkenness is not fine in any context.

[aegis]

I don't think the bible prohibit drinking alcohol.

In NT, Jesus said all food are good and does not defy a person..Paul said one is free in eating and drinking.

However, there are other principles like do not cause a brother to stumble, like is it beneficial for one's health both physical or emotional, like it is for the cause of the gospel, like does it glorify God.

So I think alcohol is those neutral thing or grey areas that it is okay to drink and not to drink,

In Puritan times and middle ages, there are many bad things and vices associated with alcohol and hence drinking is frown upon. It has its cultural background. Now we are in a different time and culture, so one should rethink those issues


regards

aegis

[One Bad Pig]

In Puritan times and middle ages, there are many bad things and vices associated with alcohol and hence drinking is frown upon.

This is actually incorrect. The Puritans quite enjoyed their beer, as did monks in the middle ages (some of the best beer is still brewed by monks). The only teetotalers in the middle ages were Muslims. The Christian Temperance movement is quite a modern phenomenon.

[supton]

The other night, on ABC news, they had a bit about this. Some 7 or 8 year study had ended, studying alcohol intake and women. Apparently having even one drink / day increased the odds of breast cancer, by something like 15%.

But here is where it gets murky: 1 out of 56 women will die from breast cancer. But 1 out of 3 will die of cardiovascular disease or stroke. And 1 to 3 drinks had a far larger reduction (50+%?) for those risks.

What is one to do with such info? [I will see if I can go find relevant links now.] First, I'd wait for yet more contradictory studies to come out. Secondly, if you don't drink now, that's more for the rest of us.

[supton]

http://www.todayonline.com/Health/ED...st-cancer-risk

During that period, roughly 7,700 of the women enrolled developed invasive breast cancer. The researchers found that having 5 to 10g of alcohol a day, the equivalent of roughly three to six glasses of wine a week, raised a woman's risk of breast cancer by 15 per cent. The effects were cumulative; with each 10g increase in alcohol consumption per day, the risk climbed 10 per cent.

While such an increase may sound alarming, experts caution that it translates into only a very small risk for the average woman. A typical 50-year-old woman, for example, has a five-year breast cancer risk of about 3 per cent, so a 15-per-cent increase would increase that risk only to 3.45 per cent.

Another link indicated it was 50% risk of cardiovascular disease/stroke. I'd look further, but this computer is acting up...

[Cow Poke]

I have not much information about the cocoa powder.
Having that much cocoa powder a day is bad for the health?

Apparently, the Aztecs didn't think so....

History of Chocolate

1200, Aztec Culture:The Aztecs attributed the creation of the cocoa plant to their god Quetzalcoatl who, descended from heaven on a beam of a morning star carrying a cocoa tree stolen from paradise. In both the Mayan and Aztec cultures cocoa was the basis for a thick, cold, unsweetened drink called xocoatl… believed to be a health elixir. Since sugar was unknown to the Aztecs, different spices were used to add flavor, even hot chili peppers and corn meal were used!
Aztecs believed that wisdom and power came from eating the fruit of the cocoa tree, and also that it had nourishing, fortifying, and even aphrodisiac qualities. The Aztec emperor, Montezuma, drank thick chocolate dyed red. The drink was so prestigious that it was served in golden goblets that were thrown away after only one use. He liked it so much that he was purported to drink 50 goblets every day!

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[Sparko]

arguing with spambots now CP? can't tell them apart from the mormons?

[Cow Poke]

arguing with spambots now CP? can't tell them apart from the mormons?

They make more sense!