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      Re: Gold

      Quote Originally posted by sylvius View Post
      A Weinrebist is someone who was greatly influenced by Friedrich Weinreb.

      Purification of gold might be compared to baptism in fire.
      Matthew 3:11-12:

      “I baptize you in water for repentance. But after me comes one who is more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you in the spirit of holiness and fire. His winnowing fork is in his hand, and he will clear his threshing floor, gathering his wheat into the barn and burning up the chaff with unquenchable fire.”







      When Jacob fled from his brother Esau he is said to have been robbed of everything by Eliphaz ("my God is pure gold"), Esau's son, with the consideration that a man without possessions is like a dead man (Esau had commanded Eliphaz to kill Jacob).

      So without any possessions Jacob came to Luz where he dreamt of the ladder with its top reaching to heaven.

      (Like NT Jesus, Luke 9:58,
      “Foxes have dens and birds have nests, but the Son of Man has no place to lay his head.” )



      Luz means nut (almond or hazel). A nut is a fruit of which the kernel, the very essence, is eatable.
      But more, it is a wordplay with Spanish "luz" = light. (Which proves that the Zohar is as old as the world, since Zohar is called so after Spanish "que haya luz" = let there be light). Luz is also the name of the bone that cannot decay (nor in water, nor in fire) , the resurrection-bone http://www.chabad.org/kabbalah/artic...-Luz-Bones.htm

      And still without possessions he came to the well where he met Rachel:

      Genesis 29:11,

      And Jacob kissed Rachel, and he raised his voice and wept.



      Rashi:

      He wept because he came with empty hands. He thought: Eliezer, my grandfather's servant, had with him rings, bracelets and all good things, whilst i have nothing with me. This was because Eliphaz Esau's son pursued Jacob by his father's order to kill him, and overtook him. But because Eliphaz had been brought up on Isaac's lap he withheld his hand. He said to him (Jacob), "But what shall I do as regards my father's order?" Jacob replied, "Take all I have and you can say that i am dead for a poor man may be accounted as dead".



      "Pure gold", you might also think of the burning bush,
      Exodus 3:2

      An angel of Hashem appeared to him in a flame of fire from within the thorn bush, and behold, the thorn bush was burning with fire, but the thorn bush was not being consumed.



      Flame of fire, "labbat esh", gematria 733

      Gematrias are eternal.

      733 = (7 x 73) + (6 x 37) , a chrystal-form, a snowflake:

      Good....ok! Thanks

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      Re: Gold

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      Good....ok! Thanks

      Maybe the sin of the golden calf was that they made gold their god (and not that they made a calf), like is also written in Exodus 32:31,

      And Moses returned to Hashem and said: "Please! This people has committed a grave sin. They have made themselves a god of gold.



      Calf = עֵגֶל , "egel".
      is from root "agal" = to circle, draw a circle.
      like also "agalah" = wagon , written the same as "eglah"= heifer, she-calf.

      "agalah" plural "agalot" to be found in Genesis 45:27,

      And they told him all of Joseph's words that he had said to them, and he saw the wagons that Joseph had sent to carry him, and the spirit of their father Jacob was revived.



      Rashi:

      As evidence that it was Joseph who was sending this message he had informed them of the subject he had been studying with his father at the time that he left him, viz. , the section of the heifer "eglah" that had its neck broken (Deuteronomium 21:6). It is to this Scripture refers in the words "And he saw" (i.e. which Joseph had sent - and it does not state "which Pharao had sent".



      So "calf" is a kind of a key...
      Remember that Joseph was called "Tsafnat Pa'neiach"= revealer of hidden things (Genesis 41:45)

      There is more to it ..
      Last edited by sylvius; October 27th 2011 at 08:41 AM.

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      Re: Gold

      צָפְנַת פַּעְנֵחַ,

      Tsafnat Pa'neiach

      Rashi:
      chabad.org (the English translation shows up again!)

      מפרש הצפונות
      "m'fareish hats'funot"

      He who explains hidden things



      One remarkable thing about the name Tsafnat Pa'neiach is it's gematria 828.

      828 = 1/2 x 1656

      1656 being the amount of years before the flood.


      wikipedia

      The period to the Flood is derived using the genealogical table of the ten patriarchs listed in Genesis 5, and 7:6, called the generations of Adam. According to the Masoretic Text, this period consists of 1656 years



      And more: 828 = 4 x 207

      207 being gematria of "or" = light.

      Light about which Genesis 1:4 said:
      "And God saw the light that it was good"

      Good, טוֹב "tov", also was the gold of "erets hachavilah", the land of Havilah that was encircled by the Pishon, the one and first river that flowed out of Eden.

      1656 is also full value of Tarshish, to where Jonah tried to escape away from before the face of Hashem, and from where King Solomon's ships came bearing gold and silver, ivory and monkeys and peacocks (1Kings 10:22).


      while 828 is the full value of "teivah" = ark = the word as written with letters.

      See Post: #184 Re: Isaiah 53:5


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      1) I think you think too much.


      2) I'd content just the opposite, he doesn't think enough, hence this nonsense.








      Joseph got this name because of his interpretation of Pharao's dreams,
      and especially because of his advice, Genesis 41:34,

      Let Pharaoh do [this] and appoint officials over the land and prepare the land of Egypt during the seven years of plenty.



      וְחִמֵּשׁ אֶת אֶרֶץ

      Rashi:

      Heb. וְחִמֵשׁ, as the Targum renders: וִיזָרֵז, and he shall prepare, and similarly,“and prepared (וַחֲמוּשִׁים)” (Exod. 13:18).



      Rashi on Exodus 13:18,

      Another interpretation: חִמֻשִׁים means “divided by five,” [meaning] that one out of five (חִמִֹשָה) [Israelites] went out, and four fifths [lit., parts of the people] died during the three days of darkness [see Rashi on Exod. 10:22]. — [from Mechilta, Tanchuma, Beshallach 1]



      And also Rashi on Genesis 14:14,

      and he armed: Heb. וַיָרֶק, like its Aramaic translation: וְזָרֵיז, [and prepared]


      and next:

      three hundred and eighteen: Our Sages said (Gen. Rabbah 43:2, Ned. 32a): It was Eliezer alone, and it [the number 318] is the numerical value of his name



      by which Rashi lets us know that he knows ..

      (to be continued)

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      Re: Gold

      NT Joseph, the father of Jesus, and also Jesus (Mark 5:3) are called carpenters.

      But carpenter is just translation of Greek τέκτων

      τέκτων,n \{tek'-tone}
      1) a worker in wood, a carpenter, joiner, builder 1a) a ship's carpenter or builder 2) any craftsman, or workman 2a) the art of poetry, maker of songs 3) a planner, contriver, plotter 3a) an author



      "a ship's carpenter or builder", like Noach.

      Noach, son of Adam = son of man. Genesis 5 gives the generation list of Adam,
      only in the case of Lamech there is written "and he begot a son"
      Genesis 5:28,

      And Lamech lived a hundred and eighty two years, and he begot a son.



      Rashi:

      and he begot a son: Heb. בֵּן, from whom the world was built (נִבְנָה). - [from Tanchuma Berei[color=red]EDITME[/color][color=red]EDITME[/color][color=red]EDITME[/color][color=red]EDITME[/color]h 11]

      .

      So NT Joseph is like OT Joseph precisely in the quality of Tsafnat Paneiach.

      Another Joseph came to lay Jesus' body in the grave, exactly at the beginning of Sabbath (where the Tetragrammaton is hidden in the beginletters of the last two words of Genesis 1:31 and the first two words of Genesis 2:1), which was also the beginning of the counting of the omer (second day of pesach) according to the Synoptici

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      Re: Gold

      Egypt is the world in which we live. Pharao is the ruler in this world. His dreams express the fear of the future. Sudden death and end of time are always on the lurk. Science has no answer,
      like written in Genesis 41:8,

      Now it came to pass in the morning that his spirit was troubled; so he sent and called all the necromancers of Egypt and all its sages, and Pharaoh related to them his dream, but no one interpreted them for Pharaoh



      Hebrew "patar" = to interpret, solve.
      "pitron" = solution.

      The answer comes "from the other side",
      Genesis 41:16,

      And Joseph replied to Pharaoh, saying, "Not I; God will give an answer [that will bring] peace to Pharaoh."



      Which means that there is no conclusive explanation. There always must be an "opening", little opening like a needle's eye.

      The sin with the golden calf was that they made gold the coping-stone.

      Exodus 32:4,

      He took [them] from their hand[s], fashioned it with an engraving tool, and made it into a molten calf, upon which they said: "This is your god, Israel, who has brought you up from the land of Egypt!"



      Little opening to be found in the letter "heh" of "hashishi", Genesis 1:31.

      and to this alludes Genesis 41:34,

      Let Pharaoh do [this] and appoint officials over the land and prepare ( = divide into five) the land of Egypt during the seven years of plenty.



      Without "heh" it would have read "yom shishi" .. of which gematria is 666.

      And that's why 1 Kings 10:14.

      Now I am sure since the beginletters of "shesh meiot shishim vashes kikar" count up to 666. It is about gematria It alludes at Genesis 1:31 and at the sin with the golden calf.


      Genesis 41:34,
      וְחִמֵּשׁ אֶת אֶרֶץ"v'chimesh et erets" = divide the land into five
      also hints at gematria (= measuring of the land; greek "gč" = earth)

      Mark 4:20, καὶ ἐκεῖνοί εἰσιν οἱ ἐπὶ τὴν γῆν τὴν καλὴν σπαρέντες, is also about gematria.

      "a hundredfold", Hebrew מֵאָה שְׁעָרִים, has gematria 666.

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      Re: Gold

      Quote Originally posted by sylvius View Post
      צָפְנַת פַּעְנֵחַ,

      Tsafnat Pa'neiach

      Rashi:
      chabad.org (the English translation shows up again!)

      מפרש הצפונות
      "m'fareish hats'funot"

      He who explains hidden things



      One remarkable thing about the name Tsafnat Pa'neiach is it's gematria 828.

      (...)

      Indeed gematria 828 seems to be the clue of Rashi's explanation:


      Jewish side tick


      BAAL HATURIM:

      ---"Zaphenath-Paneah"...this has the same gematria (828) as that of "revealer of things that had been hidden".



      "revealer of things that had been hidden" = "m'galeh mistarim" (40+3+30+5+40+60+400+200+10+40)

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      Re: Gold

      Quote Originally posted by sylvius View Post
      Indeed gematria 828 seems to be the clue of Rashi's explanation:


      Jewish side tick


      BAAL HATURIM:

      ---"Zaphenath-Paneah"...this has the same gematria (828) as that of "revealer of things that had been hidden".



      "revealer of things that had been hidden" = "m'galeh mistarim" (40+3+30+5+40+60+400+200+10+40)
      From Rabbi Munk's "The wisdom in the Hebrew Alphabet", p.144:

      When Moses announced to Pharaoh, "HASHEM, God of the Hebrews, has sent me" (Exodus 3:13), Pharaoh responded, : "No such name is listed in my index of Gods."
      "Do you expect to find our God in your records?" asked Moses. "Our God is the Living God, unlike the idols of your pantheon, which are lifeless" (R'Bachya, Exodus 5:2).
      "What is His Name and where is His place?" Pharaoh asked.
      God has a place whose name is מִסְתָּרִים "mistarim", mystery, Moses answered (see Chagigah 5b).



      Rabbi Munk is taking some things together here.
      Exodus 3:13 :
      And Moses said to God, "Behold I come to the children of Israel, and I say to them, 'The God of your fathers has sent me to you,' and they say to me, 'What is His name?' what shall I say to them?"and Exodus 5:3,
      And they said, "The God of the Hebrews has happened upon us".



      "The God of the Hebrews" alludes to the Joseph-story, Genesis 41:12,
      And there with us was a Hebrew lad, a slave of the chief slaughterer, and we told him, and he interpreted our dreams for us; [for] each [of us], he interpreted according to his dream.
      Rashi:

      a Hebrew lad, a slave: Cursed are the wicked, for their favors are incomplete. He mentions him with expressions of contempt:

      a lad: a fool, unfit for a high position;

      a slave: and in the statutes of Egypt it is written that a slave may neither reign nor wear princely raiment. — [from Gen. Rabbah 89:7]

      "

      "What is His Name and where is His place?" alludes to Exodus 3:15,
      And God said further to Moses, "So shall you say to the children of Israel, 'The Lord God of your forefathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.' This is My name forever, and this is how I should be mentioned in every generation.

      Rashi:

      This is My name forever: Heb. לְעֹלָם [It is spelled] without a vav, meaning: conceal it [God’s name] תהַעִלִימֵהוּ [so] that it should not be read as it is written. — [from Pes. 50a] Since the “vav” of (לְעֹלָ ם) is missing, we are to understand it as לְעַלֵּם, to conceal, meaning that the pronunciation of the way God’s name is written (י-ה-ו-ה) is to be concealed. — [from Pes. 50a.]



      See:
      This is my Name conceal it


      Rabbi Munk stressed it because of מִסְתָּרִים, "mistarim", is written with an open "mem" at the beginning and a closed "mem" at the end.

      http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/ar...p/t-97738.html

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      The last letter, final "nun", with which the hand is still busy writing, is also the last letter of the book Daniel as a whole.

      Daniel 12:13,

      וְאַתָּה לֵךְ לַקֵּץ וְתָנוּחַ וְתַעֲמֹד לְגֹרָלְךָ לְקֵץ הַיָּמִין

      "v'attah lech lakeits v'tanuach v'ta'mod l'goralcha l'keits hayamin"
      And you, go to the end, and you will rest and stand up to your lot at the end of the days

      But the "nun" here is written instead of (final) "mem".
      Days = "yomim" and not "yamin".
      "yamin" = south; or "right (hand)".

      Hey, "right hand", we know from Psalms 110:1,

      שֵׁב לִימִינִי, "shev limini" = sit at my right hand.

      "yamin" we know also from the name Benjamin, בִנְיָמִין, Genesis 35:18.

      Rashi:
      It means "son of his old days" ("yomim"), only that it is written with ן (instead of ם), like in Daniel 12:13, "at the end of days" , ימין.


      So Rashi knows about.

      That's why I think he meant with :
      ואני לא באתי אלא לפשוטו של מקרא
      "vaani lo bati ele lifshuto shel mikra"
      = but I did only come for the sake of the outstretched "nun" (" nun p'shutah").


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      Re: Gold

      Quote Originally posted by sylvius View Post
      Gold is mentioned for the first time in Genesis 2:11,

      The name of the one is Pishon; (that is the one) that encircles all the land of Havilah, where there is gold



      In this verse the letter "samech" is used for the first time.

      הוּא הַסֹּבֵב = that encircles.

      Which, after Rabbi Ginsburgh, does prove that the Asshuri script is the original script (and not the Hebrew script), since in the Asshuri script the letter "samech" is written like a closed circle.


      The name of the one -- Hebrew שֵׁם הָאֶחָד , "shem haechad"

      So it is not "the name of the first" like many translations have.

      KJV

      The name of the first is Pison



      Septuagint is right:

      ὄνομα τῷ ἑνὶ Φισων οὗτος ὁ κυκλῶν πᾶσαν τὴν γῆν Ευιλατ ἐκεῖ οὗ ἐστιν τὸ χρυσίον



      Which is strange, since LXX Genesis 1:5 translates יוֹם אֶחָד , "yom echad" like most of Christian translations do as "first day"
      "ἡμέρα μία ",

      and also Vulgata:

      nomen uni Phison ipse est qui circuit omnem terram Evilat ubi nascitur aurum



      But Vulgata is also right in translating Genesis 1:5, "dies unus "

      But maybe this is all due to the fact that they didn't give much mind to it.

      It might be noted that it is not written "yom haechad", but "yom echad", according to Rashi to denote that it is the day of the one (unique) being = "yom hayachid" (since the angels were not created until the second day).

      And also that it is not written "shem echad", but "shem haechad", the name of the one.
      I think to denote that this is the one river that became four heads. It is the source of all four rivers, and in the same time one of the four.

      If you can get that, then you'll come to the gold ...

      Genesis 1:12 mentions gold for the second time:

      וּזֲהַב הָאָרֶץ הַהִוא טוֹב , 'uz'haw haarets hahi tov"
      "And the gold of that land is good".

      "tov", good, we knew already from the first chapter of Genesis, wherein it occurs seven times.

      http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...t-in-Genesis-1

      First time in Genesis 1:4, "And God saw the light that it was good".

      So that intimates the identity of gold and light.

      Same is the case with the golden menorah, Exodus 25:39,

      He shall make it of a talent of pure gold, with all these implements.



      The talent, Hebrew "kikar", defines the menorah, since next verse reads:

      Now see and make according to their pattern, which you are shown on the mountain.



      Rashi: Moses was shown a menorah of fire, "m'norah shel esh"

      Now also might become clear 1 Kings 10:14,

      The weight of gold which came to Solomon in one year was 666 talents of gold



      Since 666 is gematria of "meah sh'arim", a hundredfold, in Genesis 26:12, quintessence of the parable of the sower, Mark 4, immediately followed by Mark 4:21,

      And he said unto them, Is a candle brought to be put under a bushel, or under a bed? and not to be set on a candlestick?




      Hi Sylvius:

      Gold is also mentioned/or to be understood in this translation:

      Baruch She'amar Created with Words

      Baruch She-amar contains 87 words, the same numerical value as the word PAZ, “finest gold.” This alludes to the verse in Shir HaShirim 5:11: “His opening words, referring to P’sukei d’Zimra, were ‘finest gold’” (Mishneh B’rurah 51:1).

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      Re: Gold

      Quote Originally posted by mitzi View Post
      Hi Sylvius:

      Gold is also mentioned/or to be understood in this translation:

      Baruch She'amar Created with Words

      Baruch She-amar contains 87 words, the same numerical value as the word PAZ, “finest gold.” This alludes to the verse in Shir HaShirim 5:11: “His opening words, referring to P’sukei d’Zimra, were ‘finest gold’” (Mishneh B’rurah 51:1).
      Hi Mitzi,

      Very good!

      "tov m'od"

      May be read as "tov m'ed" ,

      I learned from

      ( something great, I did forget
      link posted in http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...of-Genesis-2-6)

      http://thetrugmans.com/parsha_05_53_haazinu.shtml


      The arousal we are referring to is summed up best by the words: “with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your might.” This phrase is found in the first paragraph of the Shema. The word meodecha, “with all your might,” could also be read as m’-ed-cha, “from your ed,” “your mist;” your awakening from below. This teaches us that concentration and devotion in prayer has the ability to facilitate a true arousal from below, where we can harness all our innate and hidden soul powers to emulate the Divine powers of creation.

      This aroused aspect of prayer is perhaps most revealed in Neila, the last of the five prayers of Yom Kippur. These five prayers can be related to the word ed, “mist,” whose numerical value is also five. No matter how tired we are by the day long fast of Yom Kippur, with the approaching of Neila, (which means the closing of the gates,) each person musters all of their energy to ensure that the gates of heaven and his or her soul is actually open the widest. This is truly a quintessential moment of “with all your might.” Like true witnesses we forcefully arouse ourselves from below to proclaim at the end of Neila:

      “Hear O Israel the Lord our God the Lord is One”.

      “Blessed is His Kingdom forever and ever”

      “God He is the Lord”

      The final shofar blast uplifts all the prayers to the height of heaven, even those which are beyond words. May we all merit to experience God “raining down” His grace upon us.





      Genesis 1:31,
      וַיַּרְא אֱלֹהִים אֶת-כָּל-אֲשֶׁר עָשָׂה וְהִנֵּה-טוֹב מְאֹד

      "tov m'ed" = "good from the source" ( = the "mist" of Genesis 2:6 translated in LXX with "pčgč" = fountain, source. )

      So that's what defines the gold of Genesis 2:11, making it "paz".
      Last edited by sylvius; May 31st 2012 at 05:53 AM.

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