The Vatican is Proposing a World Central Bank

[Thersites]

I agree, there is no reason to blame people who perceive any unbalance for asking questions. They can ask all they want, but we are not denying them their rights if we choose not to do as they ask.

If we are neglecting our obligations, we are denying them their rights.

[Sparko]

so back to the pope. Is he the antichrist or what?

[Cow Poke]

so back to the pope. Is he the antichrist or what?

I'm thinking what.

[Soyeong]

If we are neglecting our obligations, we are denying them their rights.

If we were obligated to them, then we would be denying them their rights, but we are obligated to God.

[Thersites]

If we were obligated to them, then we would be denying them their rights, but we are obligated to God.

Even worse. It's one thing to deny another person what is due to them, but to go against what God wants?

Actually, justice is part of God's will, so justice in our time is also part of our obligation to God, so it's not actually worse. It's the same danged thing.

[Chrawnus]

so back to the pope. Is he the antichrist or what?

I know of an "interesting" argument that some people use to try and prove that the Pope is the Antichrist. It goes something like this:


1. The anti in antichrist can have both the meaning, "against", or "instead of"

2. Therefore antichrist can have the meaning "Instead of Christ"

3. Catholics say the Pope is the Vicar of Christ, i.e "Instead of Christ"

4. Therefore the Pope is the Antichrist.

[Cow Poke]

I know of an "interesting" argument that some people use to try and prove that the Pope is the Antichrist. It goes something like this:


1. The anti in antichrist can have both the meaning, "against", or "instead of"

2. Therefore antichrist can have the meaning "Instead of Christ"

3. Catholics say the Pope is the Vicar of Christ, i.e "Instead of Christ"

4. Therefore the Pope is the Antichrist.

I'm convinced!

[Chrawnus]

I'm convinced!

You should be.

[Thersites]

Further reading on the OP:

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/markshe...the-beast.html

[Darth Executor]

Every human being has a right to life. The rights to food, shelter, and the chance to earn a living all stem from this fundamental right to live. When we are capable of building well-insulated homes in which to wait out the winter, there is no excuse for us to let people live in grass huts or cardboard boxes. Similarly, in a society where we can prevent or cure otherwise deadly diseases, we can hardly say we are good Christians if we let people die just because God happened to entrust us with money and property instead of entrusting it to them.

I don't think you or your church understand what a right actually is.

[Thersites]

I don't think you or your church understand what a right actually is.

I'm not talking about civil or legal rights here. I can see how people who are used to discussing rights as they relate to classical liberalism and small-r republicanism or small-d democracy wouldn't be used to this particular understanding of rights, but this understanding of rights as contingent dates back certainly no later than Aquinas, and didn't originate with him.

Civil rights are practical concessions to moral necessities; when I speak of rights, it's typically closer to the latter.

[Xru]

Well . . . I'm wondering what the heck the Pope's speech writers were thinking. Didn't they know what would happen if the Pope proposed a World Central Bank? I mean come on. They couldn't be that stupid. In that case what is it that they want to accomplish at the suggestion?

I don't know.

[Thersites]

Well . . . I'm wondering what the heck the Pope's speech writers were thinking. Didn't they know what would happen if the Pope proposed a World Central Bank? I mean come on. They couldn't be that stupid. In that case what is it that they want to accomplish at the suggestion?

I don't know.

They're not the Pope's speechwriters

[Xru]

They're not the Pope's speechwriters

Okay then . . . I recall the OP this came from. Wasn't there a question as to whether the Pope actually new of the proposal?

[Thersites]

Okay then . . . I recall the OP this came from. Wasn't there a question as to whether the Pope actually new of the proposal?

He most probably didn't, but I don't think it matters if he knew or not.