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    Why liberal elites promote gay marriage

    In the shortest possible form:

    Homosexual love is a symbol of equality in that, in the act, it connects two entities that are closer to being the same. Sex between men and women is a conjugation of two inherently unequal beings. Attempting to portray men and women as ‘equals’ requires a lot of continual rhetorical bluster to obscure the obvious reality. Holding up homosexual love as moral paragon comes naturally to egalitarians, because it matches with their political conceptions (which prizes the mental unreality of ideal forms over nature).
    In case this sounds a little too big-wordy to some of you, let's connect this equalitarian unreality if ideal forms to posts by liberals here:

    Squarepeg: Suppose we live in a bizarro society...

    ...a super-detailed thought experiment which conveniently failed to include how gays would make and raise bizarro children, though actual biological facts are never the strong suit of a liberal.

    Outis: You just invalidated as "marriage" any union of two adults that are known in advance to not be fertile,

    ...just like every man who never got to fight a war in his lifetime has his manhood by definition invalidated, right?

    Samsgar: If our main concern is societal well-being, I think we have sufficient evidence to show that same-sex marriages don't deteriorate society in any sense that would affect our pluralistic societal policy.

    Your pluralistic policy is evil and stupid, and destroys physical as well as legal and spiritual institutions.

    phank: So I'll repeat for you: equality under the law is being extended to include yet another group which has been discriminated against for no reason the state can find compelling. I regard this as a good sign, much as I regarded the elimination of slavery, and extending the right to vote to women, as good things.

    We have advanced from paying black people small amounts of money to do work to paying them large amounts of money to do nothing, or at least to keep their criminality to an acceptably low level, or confined to their own neighborhoods. The deadly consequences of female suffrage should be well-apparent to anyone who's been fighting the abortion wars seriously for any length of time.

    Psychic Missile Bonus Round: Marriage has been culturally and legally redefined for millennia. I think gay marriage is the most seriously thought out redefinition in history.

    Get thee to Sailer.

    As you can see, the common thread in these objections is not an objective view of the functionality or goodness of gay marriage as such, but a pernicious and destructive belief in human equality no matter how horrific the outcome in practice. Please update all your arguments accordingly.

    And if anyone comes into the thread saying "But...but...men and women really are equal...in Christ...or something..." you will not be asked to leave, but you will be roundly mocked and put on my next list.

    Also, now that we've taken care of gay marriage, you may want to give a thought to restoring patriarchy, which was in fact the target of these people to begin with:

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry Dampier
    The Aristotelian view is that patriarchy leads to the private property hierarchical social order. There are thousands of years of evidence behind the proposition that patriarchy is the critical cultural bulwark that promotes a politics of private property. Plato agreed on this point. The Communists agree on this point, and as such, advance social orders that undermine patriarchy, because it’s known that it’s the atom of the private property social order.

    Merely because an atom can be split doesn’t mean that it ought to be, because doing so eliminates its essential characteristics.

    It’s because of this that the left is so aggressively attacking the remnants of patriarchal social order that remains within the Western world. Each destroyed family is a victory for the parasitical forces that make up the left. The distributed hierarchical structure is what makes complex political and economic forms possible. Enabling laws like divorce make that structure legally insecure, and simple to predate upon.
    In other words, put no faith in complex political and economic forms, even in your own country, if paternal authority is not restored. This takes precedence over all other issues, even abortion, simply because it takes a man to kill, whether it's a baby or an abortionist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kiwimac View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paprika View Post
    The light that shineth into the darkness.
    Oh no! Jesus dealt far more gently with people (other than the religious conservatives of his day, them he excoriated.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by kiwimac View Post
    Oh no! Jesus dealt far more gently with people (other than the religious conservatives of his day, them he excoriated.)

    You mean like when He called Peter "Satan"? That was far more gentle than "whitewashed tombs", right?

    ETA: Not defending Epo or Parika, but this seems to be very wrong in the description of how Jesus dealt with people. He was harsh with anyone who was against the truth, even those in His own in group.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kiwimac View Post
    Oh no! Jesus dealt far more gently with people (other than the religious conservatives of his day, them he excoriated.)
    Actually the pharisees had replaced the teachings of God (the old) with the "traditions of men" (the new) so it would be more accurate to call them the ruling liberal elites of His day.
    "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Executor View Post
    Actually the pharisees had replaced the teachings of God (the old) with the "traditions of men" (the new) so it would be more accurate to call them the ruling liberal elites of His day.
    It absolutely cracks me up that some conservatives seem to actually believe that Jesus was a conservative and not a liberal (and Paul for that matter). The amount of fact-rewriting mental distortion you'd have to do to pull that one off just defies belief. Although I guess mental distortion and ignorance of facts is what defines a conservative in the first place, so meh.

    The wild imaginations of conservatives seems to be a very weird and fact-rewriting place though, especially where Jesus is concerned: Jesus was white. I've heard he was a neoliberal free market capitalist too. I'm pretty sure I remember he taught that money and greed are the roots of all good, that the rich are morally superior and should be commended for storing up wealth for themselves, that free health care shouldn't be given to those that can't afford it, and I'm pretty sure he gave lengthy sermons on the merits of oppressing the gays, women, and black people. It's possible I'm confusing him with a modern-day conservative, but they're basically the same thing right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kiwimac View Post
    Oh no! Jesus dealt far more gently with people
    Quote Originally Posted by Jesus
    And he said, “Truly, I say to you, no prophet is acceptable in his hometown."
    Because condemning your own townspeople as unfaithful Jews was 'gentle'.

    (other than the religious conservatives of his day, them he excoriated.)
    Jesus was the true religious conservative, the one who aligned himself perfectly with God's Scripture and Will; the rest are liberals to varying extents.
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    Luckily, I don't have to post anything here to refute the OP.

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    Or it could be that liberal elite, like the vast majority of politicians, like to pander, especially to those with money?

    And I say this as a proponent of traditional marriage and anti-communist. I would bet that some in the liberal elite agree with your assertion (the "Gender Studies misandrist" type), but if Occupy has taught me anything, liberal activism is like herding cats (a topic I am quite familiar with ). Motivations abound. I am almost certain Obama's coalition will not survive 2016.
    Last edited by Knowing Thomas; 01-30-2015 at 09:55 PM.

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