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  • #31
    Originally posted by Zymologist View Post
    I wasn't sure if that post would get a response, but I definitely didn't expect it to get an Amen.
    Preaching the virtues of equality, tolerance, civility, kindness and understanding while calling anyone who isn't a liberal a racist, sexist, homophobic bigot who hate science, logic, reason and poor people is par for the course for liberals of his ilk.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Darth Executor View Post
      Not true, the Sadducees and the Pharisees are the establishment liberals who discarded the laws of God in favor of their own traditions (sound familiar?). Jesus and Paul are the restorers of the true original faith.

      "For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do."

      Jesus is criticizing them for the progress they made.

      So you seem kinda factually ignorant about what the Sadducees and the Pharisees were about. I suggest you read up on the matter rather than relying on half a sentence taken out of context to give you an understanding of an entire culture. The Pharisees are in many, many, ways very similar to modern-day religious conservatives.

      In almost every instance in the gospels, Jesus' motivations for his objections to the religious establishment of his day are liberal motivations: Concern for the people they are hurting, concern that their rules and regulations cause harm to poor people.

      Rather, it shows that the bible in general, Jesus and Paul in particular, etc. are all sexist, racist and homophobic by liberal standards, while you insisted they actually agree with you on these issues.
      They are consistently more liberal on these issues than the rest of their society, and consistently challenge their society to treat people more equally. That makes them liberals by the standards of their day. There are logical outworking of their teachings beyond what they themselves necessarily conceived of... for example the bible doesn't ever suggest overturning the political institution of slavery, yet the teachings of equality and love in the bible were a significant source of inspiration for a lot of the abolitionists. The teachings of love and equality in the words of Jesus and Paul continue to inspire many modern liberals.

      Originally posted by Zymologist View Post
      I wasn't sure if that post would get a response, but I definitely didn't expect it to get an Amen.
      I know you meant it sarcastically. But your words were very true at face value.

      Originally posted by CMD View Post
      Preaching the virtues of equality, tolerance, civility, kindness and understanding while calling anyone who isn't a liberal a racist, sexist, homophobic bigot who hate science, logic, reason and poor people is par for the course for liberals of his ilk.
      Um, so people who are anti-understanding, anti-kindness, anti-equality kindof by definition have already put themselves into the box of people who hate reason and science and are sexist and racist etc. If I stand for one I implicitly stand against the other. There's nothing incongruous about liberals being critical of people who oppose the things that they stand for - that's a basic part and parcel of standing for something.

      I've noticed however that conservatives do tend to deliberately misunderstand and twist the meaning of words like "tolerance" to try and pretend that the very values liberals stand for mean that they're not allowed to stand for things. Funnily enough, educated liberals have a better idea of what their own values entail than do uneducated conservatives who seize on random words, misunderstand them and twist them and then claim "no, no, no, you can't say that because of that other thing you said!" Or, more often, "no, no, no, you can't say that thing because of something some other liberal once said, and my mind can't cope with the possibility that two people who call themselves liberal might have slightly different views."


      Meta Knight, well you can be in favor of less freedom and more oppression if you like.

      Bill the Cat: Seriously? Are you like 5 years old? Or just a teenage girl with an obsession with gifs?
      Last edited by Starlight; 02-02-2015, 02:57 PM.
      "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
      "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
      "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Starlight View Post
        Bill the Cat: Seriously?
        Yes. You got schooled, and your retort was nothing more than unfounded redefinitions and goal post shifting.

        Are you like 5 years old?
        I am 45, married, and a father of 3. But thanks for asking.

        Or just a teenage girl
        Yeah, because you are either too blind or stupid to look just under my moniker at my gender tag.

        with an obsession with gifs?
        Don't like it? Tough crap. Your moronic responses deserve nothing more than satire.
        That's what
        - She

        Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
        - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

        I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
        - Stephen R. Donaldson

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Starlight View Post

          So you seem kinda factually ignorant about what the Sadducees and the Pharisees were about. I suggest you read up on the matter rather than relying on half a sentence taken out of context to give you an understanding of an entire culture. The Pharisees are in many, many, ways very similar to modern-day religious conservatives.
          So you seem kinda factually ignorant about how Judaism has worked, both in the ANE and today, which is why you think progressive religious institutions with a malleable canon are comparable to American Evangelicals with a strictly immutable one.

          In almost every instance in the gospels, Jesus' motivations for his objections to the religious establishment of his day are liberal motivations: Concern for the people they are hurting, concern that their rules and regulations cause harm to poor people.
          Yeah, if there's one thing liberals are concerned about, it's the people they're hurting and the poor.

          They are consistently more liberal on these issues than the rest of their society, and consistently challenge their society to treat people more equally.
          There is no shred of equality in the bible. It asks people to treat others well, but well and equally are not synonyms. Hell is the only egalitarian part of the Bible, where all burn and wither away.

          That makes them liberals by the standards of their day. There are logical outworking of their teachings beyond what they themselves necessarily conceived of... for example the bible doesn't ever suggest overturning the political institution of slavery, yet the teachings of equality and love in the bible were a significant source of inspiration for a lot of the abolitionists. The teachings of love and equality in the words of Jesus and Paul continue to inspire many modern liberals.
          Jesus doesn't teach anything about equality. Liberals are "inspired" by selective words of scripture they don't really understand and filter through their own modern pre-conceptions.
          "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

          There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

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          • #35
            This isn't just any zombie thread-- it's an epoetker zombie thread.

            Y'all can do better.
            Don't call it a comeback. It's a riposte.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by CMD View Post
              Preaching the virtues of equality, tolerance, civility, kindness and understanding while calling anyone who isn't a liberal a racist, sexist, homophobic bigot who hate science, logic, reason and poor people is par for the course for liberals of his ilk.
              Would it be possible to avoid using this word in future? It's been used on me too, apparently I have an 'ilk'. Whenever it's used I can't help but imagine a big moose-like animal.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by pancreasman View Post
                Would it be possible to avoid using this word in future? It's been used on me too, apparently I have an 'ilk'. Whenever it's used I can't help but imagine a big moose-like animal.
                Every time I see that word, I can't help but remember the quote from Veggie Tales: "Hey, I don't like your ilk! How will I grow strong if I don't drink my milk?"
                I DENOUNCE DONALD J. TRUMP AND ALL HIS IMMORAL ACTS.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by pancreasman View Post
                  Would it be possible to avoid using this word in future?
                  No. You and your ilk will just have to get used to reading the word as I intend to use it regularly from now on, and you and your ilk can't stop me because I'm a free spirit and I do what I want.

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                  • #39
                    Pancreasman, if you didn't already know what your spirit animal was, you certainly do now.
                    Don't call it a comeback. It's a riposte.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by pancreasman View Post
                      Would it be possible to avoid using this word in future? It's been used on me too, apparently I have an 'ilk'. Whenever it's used I can't help but imagine a big moose-like animal.
                      Just get that ilk under control.
                      Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?

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                      • #41
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                        Me and my ilk hurrying to banjo night at our demonic liberals' meeting.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by pancreasman View Post
                          [ATTACH=CONFIG]3795[/ATTACH]

                          Me and my ilk hurrying to banjo night at our demonic liberals' meeting.
                          Shouldn't that be 'Me and my elk...' ?
                          ...>>> Witty remark or snarky quote of another poster goes here <<<...

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by pancreasman View Post
                            [ATTACH=CONFIG]3795[/ATTACH]

                            Me and my ilk hurrying to banjo night at our demonic liberals' meeting.

                            Why did you not use a picture with an elk in it?
                            Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Jedidiah View Post
                              Why did you not use a picture with an elk in it?
                              No, that's my ilk. He has irritable vowel syndrome.

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