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  • One wonders about the mechanics of women getting pregnant while the fathers are away in prison.
    Actually YOU put Trump in the White House. He wouldn't have gotten 1% of the vote if it wasn't for the widespread spiritual and cultural devastation caused by progressive policies. There's no "this country" left with your immigration policies, your "allies" are worthless and even more suicidal than you are and democracy is a sick joke that I hope nobody ever thinks about repeating when the current order collapses. - Darth_Executor striking a conciliatory note in Civics 101

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    • Originally posted by Starlight View Post
      Are you aware that a major contributing factor to blacks being born and raised in single parent homes is the 'tough on crime' and 'three strikes' policies that have led to the fathers being put in prison so they can't be there for their kids?

      This was the result of deliberate political policies:





      And I'm sure you don't need me to quote statistics from white supremacist websites to tell you that the prison populations in the US are disproportionately black.

      I suggest white people in the US should stop choosing to imprison black people at unprecedented rates and then blaming the black people for not being there for their kids.
      So violent people of color should be left in the home to commit violence on their families?


      The out of wedlock birth rate has a heck of a lot more to do with men not being their for their families. The saying isn't 'my husband is in prison'; it's 'he's my baby's daddy'.
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      • Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
        There is no biological link.
        Not true. Not only do social factors fail to explain some of the difference, we know of actual genetic differences:
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monoam...arrior_gene.22

        Studies have found differences in the frequency distribution of variants of the MAOA gene between ethnic groups:[8][9] of the participants, 59% of Black men, 54% of Chinese men, 56% of Maori men, and 34% of Caucasian men carried the 3R allele, while 5.5% of Black men, 0.1% of Caucasian men, and 0.00067% of Asian men carried the 2R allele.

        "In humans, an association between the 2R allele of the VNTR region of the gene and an increase in the likelihood of committing serious crime or violence has been found."
        I should note that wikipedia, which is run by far left nutjobs considerably sanitized this article. the 2R allele is responsible for serious, explosive violence over seemingly trivial issues. That gene is only found in trace amounts among white male, even more trace amounts of asian males, but in a significant minority of black males.


        Leonhard's also grossly ignorant when he claims that "there's no genetic dissimilarity between genetic pools drawn around the arbitrarily defined races called 'black' and 'white'".

        Not only are there genetic tests that can be used to determien the race of, say, a criminal, but good luck to him getting a bone marrow transplant from asians or blacks:

        http://content.time.com/time/health/...993074,00.html

        When Devan, whose father is Caucasian and mother is part Indian, was first diagnosed with leukemia, his family did a search of the international marrow registry that contains over 14 million donors and came up empty. "We knew there was nothing out there for him," Tatlow says.

        Compared to organ transplants, bone marrow donations need to be even more genetically similar to their recipients. Though there are exceptions, the vast majority of successful matches take place between donors and patients of the same ethnic background. Since all the immune system's cells come from bone marrow, a transplant essentially introduces a new immune system to a person. Without genetic similarity between the donor and the patient, the new white blood cells will attack the host body. In an organ transplant, the body can reject the organ, but with marrow, the new immune system can reject the whole body.
        There are no hard drawn genetic lines between human ethnic groups but that doesn't mean they have no genetic basis. That much should be painfully obvious given that skin color, hair color, shape, etc. are all genetic traits and visual markers for racial distinctions.
        "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

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        • Originally posted by Starlight View Post
          Are you aware that a major contributing factor to blacks being born and raised in single parent homes is the 'tough on crime' and 'three strikes' policies that have led to the fathers being put in prison so they can't be there for their kids?
          Are you aware that the reason for those policies are the explosive increase in (mostly black) crime during that time period?

          This was the result of deliberate political policies:
          Yes, in response to a huge jump in crime.

          And I'm sure you don't need me to quote statistics from white supremacist websites to tell you that the prison populations in the US are disproportionately black.
          YOu don't need to quote statistics from "white supremacists", you can just quote publicly available statistics from the federal government.

          I suggest white people in the US should stop choosing to imprison black people at unprecedented rates and then blaming the black people for not being there for their kids.
          I suggest that criminal blacks either not have kids or not commit crimes if they do have kids. I also suggest hypocrites like you who come up with all sorts of excuses as to why similar criticism of his own country when it comes to Abos does not apply not hypocritically apply that ignorant, diseased logic to other countries.
          "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

          There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

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          • Originally posted by Meh Gerbil View Post
            One wonders about the mechanics of women getting pregnant while the fathers are away in prison.
            Conjugal visits?
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            • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
              Not sure how any of that refutes the fact that blacks are disproportionately more likely to engage in criminal behavior.
              I don't disagree. However, it's pretty clear that US cops and the US justice system are even more disproportionately likely to target them and imprison them. And you've got really really long and harsh prison sentences which basically imprison them for life and take them away from their kids (not to mention being absurdly expensive for taxpayers!). And then a new generation gets raised without father figures, and so you worsen the cycle by your excessive imprisonment.

              Here in NZ, we have a similar problem with 'blacks', as our native people (the Maori) are disproportionately likely to engage in criminal behavior due to historical and socio-economic factors, and so are disproportionately represented in the prison population (while they comprise only 15% of the national population - a tad more than the percent of blacks in the US, they comprise 51% of the prison population here). And that is why we are at the higher-end on that chart of OECD imprisonment rates compared to countries like Ireland or Denmark that are more mono-ethnic than us, whom we would be approximately matching in imprisonment rates if not for the Maori. However, unlike the US, we don't imprison them for absurdly long lengths of time, and we have been spending a lot of money and many programs pro-actively trying to help this group of people, and the Maori political party has been part of the coalition government (multiple parties together having a majority in parliament) for the past 9 years.

              So the US and NZ are roughly comparable in terms of the problems faced with a particular dark-skinned people-group of comparable population percentage being socio-economically not well off for historical reasons and disproportionately likely to commit crime, but if you compare the difference in incarceration rates it shows just how much policy choice to have long prison sentences and to crack down really harshly on crime, matters:

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              • Originally posted by Meh Gerbil View Post
                One wonders about the mechanics of women getting pregnant while the fathers are away in prison.
                I would presume that most of the time the man already had kids before he was imprisoned, or that he was let out on parole and then had kids before being subsequently sent back to prison.
                "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                • Originally posted by seer View Post
                  And truth in sentencing laws have been a major driver in reducing crime rates over the last 30 years.
                  Doubtful. Crime has dropped massively across the entire Western world over the last 30 years. Sentences have been getting much lighter in much of the Western world over that time, and crime has still dropped. There's good research showing harshness of the sentence has almost zero impact on a person's choice to commit crime - the factor that is orders of magnitude more influential in their decision is probability of getting caught.

                  While even experts aren't entirely sure what has caused the massive drop in crime over the last 30 years, the best studies I have seen attributed it to reduced exposure to lead. Lead is known to cause brain damage and violent tendencies, and was removed from petrol across the Western world in the right timeframe to have caused the drop in crime, and geographic studies that have looked at when each particular state/area removed lead from its fuel have shown very strong correlations with the point in time at which crime started to drop in that area. This suggests that one of the most cost-effective anti-crime interventions the US could do at the moment, is ensure there is absolutely zero lead in the drinking water (e.g. in places like Flint and others).
                  "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                  "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                  "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                  • Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                    I would presume that most of the time the man already had kids before he was imprisoned, or that he was let out on parole and then had kids before being subsequently sent back to prison.
                    I know a black lady who came up pregnant.
                    Even though she knew the father she was able to put 'unknown' as the father on the birth certificate.
                    She did that so her live in boyfriend wouldn't get stuck with child care costs and she could retain state benefits.

                    In short, the state is paying her to put 'unknown' on the birth certificate.

                    Let the impact that will have on her child sink in for a little bit.

                    I be honest with you, Starlight, I don't have the first clue as to what can be done to help the minorities in the USA. I do know that ridiculous policies like that one I mentioned above allow black men to father children with dozens of women and never own up to their responsibilities - perpetually remaining children themselves and perpetuating a vicious cycle of crime/violence/and despair. This type of welfare destroyed the black families in this country. It is to the point where even suggesting changes to this type of policy will get you labeled a racist.

                    Consider this video:
                    https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...of+my+children

                    Look, I'm for helping this lady and her kids but at some point these people (any people that want prosperity) have to pick up the mantle of personal responsibility.
                    I don't think that is too much to ask.
                    Again, I'm being honest with you, I don't know what to do.
                    Actually YOU put Trump in the White House. He wouldn't have gotten 1% of the vote if it wasn't for the widespread spiritual and cultural devastation caused by progressive policies. There's no "this country" left with your immigration policies, your "allies" are worthless and even more suicidal than you are and democracy is a sick joke that I hope nobody ever thinks about repeating when the current order collapses. - Darth_Executor striking a conciliatory note in Civics 101

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                    • Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                      Doubtful. Crime has dropped massively across the entire Western world over the last 30 years. Sentences have been getting much lighter in much of the Western world over that time, and crime has still dropped. There's good research showing harshness of the sentence has almost zero impact on a person's choice to commit crime - the factor that is orders of magnitude more influential in their decision is probability of getting caught.

                      While even experts aren't entirely sure what has caused the massive drop in crime over the last 30 years, the best studies I have seen attributed it to reduced exposure to lead. Lead is known to cause brain damage and violent tendencies, and was removed from petrol across the Western world in the right timeframe to have caused the drop in crime, and geographic studies that have looked at when each particular state/area removed lead from its fuel have shown very strong correlations with the point in time at which crime started to drop in that area. This suggests that one of the most cost-effective anti-crime interventions the US could do at the moment, is ensure there is absolutely zero lead in the drinking water (e.g. in places like Flint and others).
                      The reduction in crime is likely due to abortion.
                      Actually YOU put Trump in the White House. He wouldn't have gotten 1% of the vote if it wasn't for the widespread spiritual and cultural devastation caused by progressive policies. There's no "this country" left with your immigration policies, your "allies" are worthless and even more suicidal than you are and democracy is a sick joke that I hope nobody ever thinks about repeating when the current order collapses. - Darth_Executor striking a conciliatory note in Civics 101

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                      • Originally posted by Meh Gerbil View Post
                        The reduction in crime is likely due to abortion.
                        Um... ? You know that the crime-rate is measured as crimes per 100,000 people right? A smaller population doesn't mean a lower crime-rate.
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                        "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                        "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                        • Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                          Um... ? You know that the crime-rate is measured as crimes per 100,000 people right? A smaller population doesn't mean a lower crime-rate.
                          depends on how the abortion is distributed. If there's more abortion in crime-prone populations then it would reduce the crime rate in the long term.
                          "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

                          There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

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                          • Originally posted by Teallaura View Post
                            The out of wedlock birth rate has a heck of a lot more to do with men not being their for their families.
                            The complete abandonment of restraining female sexuality (especially among Christians, strangely enough) is the bigger factor. There have always been dangerous, irresponsible men. But people used to keep their daughters (who tend to have little ability to control themselves) away from them. Nowadays that would be considered sexist.
                            "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

                            There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

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                            • Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                              I don't disagree. However, it's pretty clear that US cops and the US justice system are even more disproportionately likely to target them and imprison them.
                              They're targeting those who commit crimes and not blacks specifically. You're mistaking correlation for causation.
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                              But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                              Than a fool in the eyes of God


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                              • Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                                Um... ? You know that the crime-rate is measured as crimes per 100,000 people right? A smaller population doesn't mean a lower crime-rate.
                                The case for abortion/crime was made in the book Freakonomics:
                                Source: http://freakonomics.com/2005/05/15/a...d-you-believe/

                                I don't know if it is true or not; I'm not invested in either view.
                                Actually YOU put Trump in the White House. He wouldn't have gotten 1% of the vote if it wasn't for the widespread spiritual and cultural devastation caused by progressive policies. There's no "this country" left with your immigration policies, your "allies" are worthless and even more suicidal than you are and democracy is a sick joke that I hope nobody ever thinks about repeating when the current order collapses. - Darth_Executor striking a conciliatory note in Civics 101

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