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  • Derail from Hillarygate

    Originally posted by Meh Gerbil View Post
    This is yet another example of why CNN (and others) are Fake News.

    If you take a CNN headline (Trump colludes with Russia) and based on no evidence at all simply guess the opposite (Hillary colludes with Russia) you are more likely to have your views vindicated six months later than the CNN headline. Again, take a CNN headline, assume the opposite, and you've a really good shot at being correct - that is how horrible these people are at their jobs.
    At least it isn't another "Gay Mormon girl comes out to her congregation" story they love to fill their feeds with...
    That's what
    - She

    Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
    - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

    I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
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  • #2
    Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
    At least it isn't another "Gay Mormon girl comes out to her congregation" story they love to fill their feeds with...
    Whatever your opinion she surely is a brave person. I know people who have lived half their life in shame before doing what she did. I believe we could learn quite a lot by her testimony. Anyone interested can read it here: http://edition.cnn.com/2017/06/19/us...rnd/index.html
    "Yes. President Trump is a huge embarrassment. And it’s an embarrassment to evangelical Christianity that there appear to be so many who will celebrate precisely the aspects that I see Biblically as most lamentable and embarrassing." Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler Jr.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Charles View Post
      Whatever your opinion she surely is a brave person. I know people who have lived half their life in shame before doing what she did. I believe we could learn quite a lot by her testimony. Anyone interested can read it here: http://edition.cnn.com/2017/06/19/us...rnd/index.html
      What is really brave is to control your sexual appetites and do the moral thing.
      Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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      • #4
        seems kinda early to decide you are gay. When I was 12 I thought girls all had cooties but that didn't make me gay. I didn't think about sex at all at that age that I recall.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Sparko View Post
          seems kinda early to decide you are gay. When I was 12 I thought girls all had cooties but that didn't make me gay. I didn't think about sex at all at that age that I recall.
          I would tend to agree. From the Standard psychological point of view this may actually indicate the development of Bipolar disorder (given that one of the symptoms is hypersexuality) However I know nothing of the child's history minus "The parents were expecting it." Yet if they were a psychological evaluation to check for other symptoms of the disorder or other disorders would have been appropriate. Ruling out everything else should be necessary.
          A happy family is but an earlier heaven.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Sparko View Post
            seems kinda early to decide you are gay. When I was 12 I thought girls all had cooties but that didn't make me gay. I didn't think about sex at all at that age that I recall.
            What - they don't have cooties?
            Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Sparko View Post
              seems kinda early to decide you are gay.
              According to a study last year:
              Gay Men – 25% realized they were gay when they were less than 10 years old, 50% by 13 years old, and 75% by 18 years old.
              Lesbian women – 25% realized by 12 years old, 50% at 15 years old, and 75% by 20/21 years old.


              Although I think it's an awkward sort of thing to try and measure because a lot of kids firstly notice that they find some people of the same sex attractive and thus realize that they are "bi or gay" and its only some years later after meeting a much larger sample of people who are the opposite sex and not finding any of them attractive that they become sure they are "gay" and not "bi", and adopt that label for themselves. A lot of kids these days like to say "I don't put labels on it" which generally equates to "I know I'm somewhere on the spectrum of bisexuality, but I'm not sure where yet, and I'm not closing my mind to the possibility of learning more about what I like." So if you want to ask the kids/adults "at what point did you realize your sexuality?" you've got to either be really clear and specific about what you are asking with your phrasing of the question (e.g. "at what age did you first notice a sexual attraction to someone of the same sex?"), or understand that for many it will have been a gradual process that took years.

              Originally posted by seer View Post
              What is really brave is to control your sexual appetites and do the moral thing.
              What a silly statement. There's no bravery involved in making such a decision. It's not like it's scary to do nothing. People make all sorts of life decisions based on religion all the time. I can see why you might call a suicide bomber "brave" because obviously that is a scary act they are undertaking on behalf of their religion. But since when is not dating someone or not having sex a "brave" act?
              "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
              "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
              "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                What a silly statement. There's no bravery involved in making such a decision. It's not like it's scary to do nothing. People make all sorts of life decisions based on religion all the time. I can see why you might call a suicide bomber "brave" because obviously that is a scary act they are undertaking on behalf of their religion. But since when is not dating someone or not having sex a "brave" act?
                Nor is it brave to give in to your immoral desires, which is what I was responding to in Charles' post. And it certainly it is much more difficult to control ones passions.
                Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                  According to a study last year:
                  Gay Men – 25% realized they were gay when they were less than 10 years old, 50% by 13 years old, and 75% by 18 years old.
                  Lesbian women – 25% realized by 12 years old, 50% at 15 years old, and 75% by 20/21 years old.


                  Although I think it's an awkward sort of thing to try and measure because a lot of kids firstly notice that they find some people of the same sex attractive and thus realize that they are "bi or gay" and its only some years later after meeting a much larger sample of people who are the opposite sex and not finding any of them attractive that they become sure they are "gay" and not "bi", and adopt that label for themselves. A lot of kids these days like to say "I don't put labels on it" which generally equates to "I know I'm somewhere on the spectrum of bisexuality, but I'm not sure where yet, and I'm not closing my mind to the possibility of learning more about what I like." So if you want to ask the kids/adults "at what point did you realize your sexuality?" you've got to either be really clear and specific about what you are asking with your phrasing of the question (e.g. "at what age did you first notice a sexual attraction to someone of the same sex?"), or understand that for many it will have been a gradual process that took years.

                  What a silly statement. There's no bravery involved in making such a decision. It's not like it's scary to do nothing. People make all sorts of life decisions based on religion all the time. I can see why you might call a suicide bomber "brave" because obviously that is a scary act they are undertaking on behalf of their religion. But since when is not dating someone or not having sex a "brave" act?
                  Given that calling someone a virgin is an insult in a lot of places, I'd say it's a bit more brave than you're trying to portray.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View Post
                    Given that calling someone a virgin is an insult in a lot of places, I'd say it's a bit more brave than you're trying to portray.
                    Calling someone a slut is an insult pretty much everywhere. Since nearly all Christian churches will celebrate you if you claim to be a virgin who is abstaining from sex until marriage, it's hardly brave if you're a participant in such a community to do something that gets you treated like a hero. Brave would be standing at the front of the church and telling them you're gay and not waiting until marriage - that would take guts and would likely get a strong negative reaction.
                    "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                    "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                    "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by seer View Post
                      Nor is it brave to give in to your immoral desires
                      I agree, yet you guys seem to regularly and disgustingly praise soldiers or police who kill people for "bravery".

                      Obviously sex and sexuality aren't immoral, and a choice to refrain or not from it has nothing to do with "bravery". Though obviously talking about your own actions and opinions to a probably-hostile audience like the 12 year old girl did in her Mormon church, takes bravery.
                      "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                      "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                      "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                        seems kinda early to decide you are gay. When I was 12 I thought girls all had cooties but that didn't make me gay. I didn't think about sex at all at that age that I recall.
                        Me thinks you must misremember!

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by seer View Post
                          What is really brave is to control your sexual appetites and do the moral thing.
                          And what exactly does controlling ones sexual appetite have to do with this story?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by seer View Post
                            Nor is it brave to give in to your immoral desires, which is what I was responding to in Charles' post. And it certainly it is much more difficult to control ones passions.
                            Who gave in to their immoral desires, and what desires exactly are you talking about.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by JimL View Post
                              Who gave in to their immoral desires, and what desires exactly are you talking about.
                              Satan, doncha-know.
                              “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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