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    Why is this a bad idea?

    Trump: Immigrants Should Not Get Welfare for at Least Five Years

    CEDAR RAPIDS, Iowa — President Donald Trump said in a speech here Wednesday night he would soon introduce legislation that immigrants to America should not receive welfare benefits for at least five years.

    The new measure will stipulate that “those seeking admission into our country must be able to support themselves financially and should not use welfare for a period of at least five years,” Trump said as the crowd of thousands at the campaign-style rally exploded into extended applause.

    http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/whit...-years-n775336
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  • #2
    Originally posted by seer View Post
    Why is this a bad idea?
    Well the sentence immediately after where you stopped the quote is:
    But those requirements, or something similar to them, already exist.

    Maybe instead of getting his gullible supporters to cheer him as he promises to achieve the already-achieved, Trump could get on with doing useful things?
    "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Starlight View Post
      Well the sentence immediately after where you stopped the quote is:
      But those requirements, or something similar to them, already exist.

      Maybe instead of getting his gullible supporters to cheer him as he promises to achieve the already-achieved, Trump could get on with doing useful things?
      Nope, if you keep reading:

      Legislation backed by then-President Bill Clinton, called the "Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act of 1996," states immigrants are "not eligible for any federal means-tested public benefit" for five years beginning when they come into the country. However, the law has exceptions and additional legislation since its passage has also affected eligibility.
      It has been watered down over the years. But you agree it is a good thing - correct?
      Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

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      • #4
        Originally posted by seer View Post
        But you agree it is a good thing - correct?
        It depends what the exceptions are really. Overall, I suspect it is probably penny pinching, and that the amount of money it is likely to save is probably negligible in the grand scheme of things, and that going to the effort of 'saving' this money is a false economy akin to grabbing a penny off the floor of your living room that you're currently warming by burning wads of $100 bills in the fireplace. US military spending is so absurdly high you guys are just burning money.

        However this will give the Trump supporters warm fuzzies at the thought of being nasty to immigrants, so it achieves its political purpose. They can sleep well at night comforted by warm thoughts of successfully causing immigrants to suffer by not being able to receive any government support they happen to need.

        But given the Republicans don't seem to have been capable of actually passing any legislation so far even with control of all the branches of government, I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for Trump's regularly-given never-accomplished promises to actually turn into law if I were you.
        "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
        "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
        "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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        • #5
          If Trump can get the legislation passed with no exceptions then that would be awesome. I suspect it would significantly curtail immigration if people know they can't come here and immediately start getting free money from taxpayers, and that would be a good thing.
          Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
          But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
          Than a fool in the eyes of God


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          • #6
            It is a good idea, but I do think there needs to be exceptions. If we do take in refugees, we can't expect them to be up and running right away. We need to give them time to assimilate, learn the language and culture. Like what we did with the Vietnamese in the 1970s. I think that worked out great. The Vietnamese integrated in and were productive members of society pretty quickly. Very hard workers.

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            • #7
              I find it funny that Starlight is commenting on this when his precious utopia is kicking a 5 year old immigrant out because she is a drain on their world famous free medical system...
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              • #8
                Originally posted by seer View Post
                Why is this a bad idea?
                Seer, I suggest that you fact check Trumps whole speach in Iowa. Everything he said was a lie. Not that knowing he's a liar and a con man will change any of the faithfuls minds about him, but at least we tried to let you in on the open secret.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by JimLamebrain View Post
                  Seer, I suggest that you fact check Trumps whole speach in Iowa. Everything he said was a lie. Not that knowing he's a liar and a con man will change any of the faithfuls minds about him, but at least we tried to let you in on the open secret.
                  Is that what anonymous sources are telling you?

                  Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                  But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                  Than a fool in the eyes of God


                  From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                    It is a good idea, but I do think there needs to be exceptions. If we do take in refugees, we can't expect them to be up and running right away. We need to give them time to assimilate, learn the language and culture. Like what we did with the Vietnamese in the 1970s. I think that worked out great. The Vietnamese integrated in and were productive members of society pretty quickly. Very hard workers.
                    From what I have read refugees have been exempt from the Immigration restrictions and can receive benefits. I don't think that will change.
                    Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by JimL View Post
                      Seer, I suggest that you fact check Trumps whole speach in Iowa. Everything he said was a lie. Not that knowing he's a liar and a con man will change any of the faithfuls minds about him, but at least we tried to let you in on the open secret.
                      Sheesh buddy, take a chill pill!
                      Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by seer View Post
                        From what I have read refugees have been exempt from the Immigration restrictions and can receive benefits. I don't think that will change.
                        Of course we need much stricter limits on who qualifies as a "refugee" and a better vetting and monitoring process.
                        Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                        But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                        Than a fool in the eyes of God


                        From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
                          I find it funny that Starlight is commenting on this when his precious utopia is kicking a 5 year old immigrant out because she is a drain on their world famous free medical system...
                          As I've been pretty clear on in the past, I would like to see my country significantly reduce the number of immigrants it is taking. The immigration rate here is currently the highest in the Western world and approximately double that of most of the rest Western world including the US, and I would like to see it cut in half to bring NZ into general line with the rest of the Western world. The incredibly high immigration rate has caused house prices to increase to absurdly high levels and caused problems with simply not being able to build enough new houses fast enough, so there generally seems to be agreement across the board that it would be a good idea to ease off the ultra-high immigration rates by a notch or two. Obviously that means making tough decisions about who's allowed in and who isn't.

                          I'm not exactly sure what relevance you see in the recent news story about one person being declined immigration permission...? Since decisions continuously have to be made by immigration authorities with respect to different individual cases, and because there are so many different types of visas etc and paths to immigration, there are regular court challenges filed against immigration authority decisions by disappointed potential immigrants, and sometimes they go one way and sometimes another, it happens, and it's always a difficult process. Although I doubt it's nearly as bad as the US immigration process to try and get green cards which is legendary worldwide in its absurdity. While I support my preferred political party's recent policy suggestion of upping the refugee quotas that NZ takes, I doubt the girl in the particular news story you reference would have qualified as a refugee, although I have not been following that story closely.
                          Last edited by Starlight; 06-22-2017, 09:21 AM.
                          "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                          "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                          "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                            As I've been pretty clear on in the past, I would like to see my country significantly reduce the number of immigrants it is taking. The immigration rate here is currently the highest in the Western world and approximately double that of most of the rest Western world including the US, and I would like to see it cut in half to bring NZ into general line with the rest of the Western world. The incredibly high immigration rate has caused house prices to increase to absurdly high levels and caused problems with simply not being able to build enough new houses fast enough, so there generally seems to be agreement across the board that it would be a good idea to ease off the ultra-high immigration rates by a notch or two. Obviously that means making tough decisions about who's allowed in and who isn't.

                            I'm not exactly sure what relevance you see in the recent news story about one person being declined immigration permission...? Since decisions continuously have to be made by immigration authorities with respect to different individual cases, and because there are so many different types of visas etc and paths to immigration, there are regular court challenges filed against immigration authority decisions by disappointed potential immigrants, and sometimes they go one way and sometimes another, it happens, and it's always a difficult process. Although I doubt it's nearly as bad as the US immigration process to try and get green cards which is legendary worldwide in its absurdity. While I support my preferred political party's recent policy suggestion of upping the refugee quotas that NZ takes, I doubt the girl in the particular news story you reference would have qualified as a refugee, although I have not been following that story closely.
                            You seem to understand your own country's need to make the "tough choices" yet you regularly chide mine for doing the same...
                            That's what
                            - She

                            Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
                            - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

                            I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
                            - Stephen R. Donaldson

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
                              You seem to understand your own country's need to make the "tough choices" yet you regularly chide mine for doing the same...
                              I've read Starlight several times where he's claimed that a country should be able to pick and choose refugees.
                              He isn't the typical whacko on that point.
                              Actually YOU put Trump in the White House. He wouldn't have gotten 1% of the vote if it wasn't for the widespread spiritual and cultural devastation caused by progressive policies. There's no "this country" left with your immigration policies, your "allies" are worthless and even more suicidal than you are and democracy is a sick joke that I hope nobody ever thinks about repeating when the current order collapses. - Darth_Executor striking a conciliatory note in Civics 101

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