Was Lazarus the author of the Gospel of John?

[tabibito]

The chart for Mark is confused. And is wrong on the day of Preparation. The day of Preparation is in fact not mentioned in Mark until Mark 15:42. Does not identify the date of Mark 14:12.

12 And on the first day of Unleavened Bread, when they sacrificed the Passover lamb, his disciples said to him, “Where will you have us go and prepare for you to eat the Passover?”

The first day of unleavened bread - when they sacrificed the passover lamb ... The passover lamb is sacrificed on the day of preparation.

The chart for John is worse. For one, the whole chart conflates the preparation of the Passover (19:14) with the day of Preparation(v.31).

Just how many days pass between Jesus appearing before Pilate (John 19:14) and Jesus' death? Both events occur on the same day.

It has John 13:2 being the meal, when in fact it was over. The counterfeit reading says during the supper.

ESV By supper time ISV During the meal King James Supper being ended Byzantine Majority Koine Greek δειπνου γενομενου TBM (Study Version) The meal having come to be

Judas Iscariot was at Christ's institution of the meal to remember His death (Luke 22:19-21). Which was instituted after the supper was over (note v.20).

Judas had agreed to betray Christ on the previous day. That the meal is still in progress is self evident - Jesus rises from the table to wash the disciples feet, and gives Judas the sop afterward - That doesn't happen until verse 26, and after that Satan enters into Judas.

What date do you regard Mark 14:12? 13th? 14th? or yes, the 15th? and how and why do you conclude your date? Mark 14:17 marks the following evening making the crucifixion the next day. I hold that 14:12 is the 14th and v.17 marks the beginning of the 15th.

Mark 14:11 is still the 13th, Mark 14:12 occurs shortly after the beginning (6:00:01 pm) of the 14th, Mark 14: 17 is a couple or a few hours later.

[tabibito]

I meant specifically about this:

"For one, the whole chart conflates the preparation of the Passover (19:14) with the day of Preparation(v.31)."

Is the the preparation of the Passover not done on the day of Preparation?

Preparation for Passover is the day before Passover, as stated in all gospels. The day of preparation is specified as the day on which the passover lamb is slaughtered, and it is the day before the feast of unleavened bread. However, there is some flexibility about the timing: the lamb is to be slaughtered in the evening of the 14th, but it is not stipulated which of the Jewish day's evenings is meant. The first evening (sunset) occurs just after the start of the Jewish day and the second evening is at the end of the calendar day (3pm - 6pm). The lamb is to be slaughtered in the evening, and eaten that night ... which means that it could be eaten either a few hours after the start of the 14th (slaughtered during the first evening) or a few hours after the start of the 15th (slaughtered during the second evening.)

By the first century, the celebration of Passover and the beginning of the festival of unleavened bread had been pretty much concatenated, relegating the original day of Passover to simply the day of preparation, and having the first day of the festival as the Passover - as is still the case.

[NorrinRadd]

* I still have no idea why this forum doesn't support nesting quote-tags. It would be so much easier to keep track of the discussions here if the quotes nested about 3-4 levels back.

You can force it manually. That's tedious, but sometimes I'm obsessive enough to bother.

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12 And on the first day of Unleavened Bread, when they sacrificed the Passover lamb, his disciples said to him, “Where will you have us go and prepare for you to eat the Passover?”

The first day of unleavened bread - when they sacrificed the passover lamb ... The passover lamb is sacrificed on the day of preparation.

That understanding you have presented does not change the fact that there are 7 days of preparation during the week of the Passover feast (Numbers 28:24; compare Ezekiel 45:21-23).

Just how many days pass between Jesus appearing before Pilate (John 19:14) and Jesus' death?Both events occur on the same day.

There is no disagreement what occurred on the same day. The disagreement is over what day John 19:14 refers to: The 14th (the common view) or the 15th (when the first of 7 lambs are to be sacrificed as per Numbers 28:19, 24).

ESV By supper time ISV During the meal King James Supper being ended Byzantine Majority Koine Greek δειπνου γενομενου TBM (Study Version) The meal having come to be Judas had agreed to betray Christ on the previous day. That the meal is still in progress is self evident - Jesus rises from the table to wash the disciples feet, and gives Judas the sop afterward - That doesn't happen until verse 26, and after that Satan enters into Judas.

A couple things here. One, the Greek γινομενου translated "during" with the iota is the counterfeit reading. Any manuscript with that reading has to be written with the iota. The epsilon cannot simply be changed. The δειπνου γενομενου "supper being ended" is the original. Furthermore in evidence the remembrance was instituted after the supper (Luke 22:19-20). And Judas was at the table (v.21).

Mark 14:11 is still the 13th, Mark 14:12 occurs shortly after the beginning (6:00:01 pm) of the 14th, Mark 14: 17 is a couple or a few hours later.

So here is a key difference between our understandings. You hold Mark 14:12, 17 and Mark 15:42 are all that same day the 14th. I understand Mark 14:17 and Mark 15:42 being the two evenings beginning the 15th and the 16th, the 16th being the 6th day of the week.