Obama's Bath Certificate

[Jaecp]

I see, you're redefining a term. If gay rights refers to equality then so does opposition to welfare since it discriminates based on income.

I'm using it like its used by people in the gay rights movement, which is all about equality.

The thing about welfare is a red herring.

Lying and compromise are not the same thing. Maybe the word you were thinking of is "pandering"?

No, I think I had it right the first time.

Obama seems to want to avoid the hyper-partisan politics and that isn't making him any friends.

I've seen that allegation before. It's completely worthless. Walton doesn't matter because republicans didn't give them the loan. They tried to link the Bush administration to it but the Bush administration rejected to give them a loan and instead requested more information. It's just a really lame attempt to deflect blame on the Bush administration to take heat away from Obama.

More importantly, the White House knew it was a bad deal:

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/emails...ry?id=14508865
but still went on to loan them even more money and agree to pay off private investors first.

The article gets swiftly obliterated in the comments section.

Secondly, Chris Gronet was the CEO during the time they received this loan. Brian Harrison replaced him in July 2010. Which just makes this article look even stupider because the author didn't take the time to research what they are talking about.


Heh.

At best, you prove they made a bad investment. One company out of some larger number wasn't successful as a business venture.

It's not "stupid". Stupid implies they were trying to do something good and messed up. Evil is a better word, since they intentionally gave drug cartels weapons, refused to track them (not failed, outright refused, even though the whole point of selling them weapons was supposed to be tracking), smeared and punished people who blew the whistle on it and lied to congress while feigning indication about something that was "blown out of proportions" when the only thing that was blown was the brains and guts of over a dozen innocent people.

That they didn't track them was stupid. I can't even begin to understand the thought process involved in the whole mess. Do you think this deserved more time than it got or something? I don't know what your getting at with this.

Prohibition is a poor analogy. I also doubt the cartels will go away just because pot would be legalized.

The mafia didn't just go away either. Losing a huge revenue stream would be quite the hit though.

Living off student loans, can't really afford cable.

Most TV Shows have free internet streaming, and thats without getting into quasi legal streaming sites.

[Cow Poke]

Obama seems to want to avoid the hyper-partisan politics and that isn't making him any friends.

You have GOT to be kidding -- he can't make a speech without stirring the class envy pot, or blaming the republicans, or his own party, or Americans, or congress, or earthquakes or tsunamis, or Bush, or ANYBODY but himself! He's ALL ABOUT hyper-partisanism.

[lao tzu]

You have GOT to be kidding

Fox News, right?

[Darth Executor]

I'm using it like its used by people in the gay rights movement, which is all about equality.

The thing about welfare is a red herring.

It's not, it's an excellent analogy for how absurd the way "its used by people in the gay rights movement" (frivolously).

No, I think I had it right the first time.

Obama seems to want to avoid the hyper-partisan politics and that isn't making him any friends.

Lying about what he believes is what isn't making him any friends.

At best, you prove they made a bad investment. One company out of some larger number wasn't successful as a business venture.

No, they didn't "make a bad investment". They intentionally made a bad investment, as is shown in the last link I posted if you can be bothered to read it. Then there's this little gem:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...ef=NetworkNews

That they didn't track them was stupid. I can't even begin to understand the thought process involved in the whole mess. Do you think this deserved more time than it got or something? I don't know what your getting at with this.

Yes, more cover from the press should be the least it should get.

The mafia didn't just go away either. Losing a huge revenue stream would be quite the hit though.

I've looked around a bit, but I can't really find any info that it's marijuana that feeds most of their income.

It would be much better if the US/Mexico border was militarized instead. Then the entire US market becomes inaccessible to them for any contraband, including hard drugs, guns and prostitution.

Most TV Shows have free internet streaming, and thats without getting into quasi legal streaming sites.

From my experience Canada is blocked off from virtually all of them, usually because they have deals with local TV stations or whatever to distribute them and it would cut into their sales/ad revenue.

[Darth Executor]

Who you gonna believe, huh? Me or your dirty lying eyes?

His impression is identical to mine and I don't have or watch Fox news. I haven't even plugged in my TV since I moved in September. The great thing about the internet is that you can just listen to obama speak via this awesome website called "youtube" and people screeching "fox news" whenever their god sculpted in flesh shows his true colors are rendered irrelevant.

[Mountain Man]

You have GOT to be kidding -- he can't make a speech without stirring the class envy pot, or blaming the republicans, or his own party, or Americans, or congress, or earthquakes or tsunamis, or Bush, or ANYBODY but himself! He's ALL ABOUT hyper-partisanism.

Three years later and Obama is still blaming his failed economic policies on Bush:

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/danield..._economic_woes

[Conductor42]

On other hand, if it was a Republican...

If he was a Republican, I wouldn't care unless that Republican was pulling a Larry Craig.

Similarly, I wouldn't care about a Republican (or Democrat) getting caught smoking Cannabis or having an Abortion - unless, of course, unless he or she was preaching the opposite of what he or she was practicing.

This is all BS. Democrats run on family values as well. That most people don't believe them from the start is another issue.

Depends on the Democrat. Weiner didn't.

Government sponsored and subsidized marriage is not a right.

Here we agree - except that I would apply that to anyone, not just of the homosexual variety.
However, the ability to legally take care of those you love ought to be a right, and currently - a "marriage" license is the way to do it. Personally, I think we ought to replace all marriage "liscenses" with Civil Unions and leave the definition of "marriage" to the "free market". If Marriage is a sacred ordinance between God, a Man, and a Woman - then what business has the government to regulate it?

Prohibition is a poor analogy. I also doubt the cartels will go away just because pot would be legalized.

They won't go away, not by legalization alone. But it would cut off 70% of their funding, save us Americans ~40 billion dollars a year (tax dollars saved plus tax revenues earned). They could use that to fight the real drug epidemic that threatens to undermine America - Methamphetamines. Pot is less dangerous than Alcohol, the only reason it's even an issue anymore are the stupid left versus right "Culture Wars" that continuously sidetrack Americans from the issues that actually effect our economy.

Living off student loans, can't really afford cable.

Study Hard, Darth - I've still got $4,000 in Student Loans to pay off, but I suppose that's a much better number than the $26,000 I owed when I dropped out.

[Jaecp]

It's not, it's an excellent analogy for how absurd the way "its used by people in the gay rights movement" (frivolously).

Equality does not equate to welfare. Stop overly polarizing this.

Personally, I think government should stop giving marriage licenses to anyone and to instead issue licenses for civil unions. Why should the government be signing in a traditionally religious ritual in the first place? Let the people go to a church, or wherever they like, after doing the paperwork they have to do anyway.

Lying about what he believes is what isn't making him any friends.

Evidence of lying?

No, they didn't "make a bad investment". They intentionally made a bad investment, as is shown in the last link I posted if you can be bothered to read it. Then there's this little gem:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...ef=NetworkNews

I read your article, it doesn't prove what you seem to think it does. This isn't evidence they knew it was going to fail before they made the investment. Its alleging a delay of information for, what, 3 or 4 days? Email from the 30th to announce things on the 3rd? Low on information, high on assertion.

It looks to me like the Republicans are looking to make a mountain out of a molehill. Solyndra was 1 failed investment out of how many in that part of the stimulus?

Yes, more cover from the press should be the least it should get.

Why? Its old news at this point.

I've looked around a bit, but I can't really find any info that it's marijuana that feeds most of their income.

It would be much better if the US/Mexico border was militarized instead. Then the entire US market becomes inaccessible to them for any contraband, including hard drugs, guns and prostitution.

Hard to get solid info on where they get their money from. For hard drugs, I read something interesting recently,

Portugal Drug Policy and when it comes to prostitution, seems to me that most of the violence and pain associated with it is because of its illegal nature of it that makes it hard to impossible for the girls doing it to get safe working environments.

We should not be in the interest of legislating morality.

From my experience Canada is blocked off from virtually all of them, usually because they have deals with local TV stations or whatever to distribute them and it would cut into their sales/ad revenue.

Have you tried spoofing your IP address? Copies of broadcast television programming available on the internet avoid certain laws, at least in the states. Its one of the reasons why the proliferation of fansubs of anime from Japan doesn’t cause much, if any, legal problems for the people. I can’t think of even a single court case of the top of my head.

[Epoetker]

I'm going to file this in the "Who cares?" category.

His most dependable voter base, ie: them what ensured the passage of Prop 8 in California. YES TO MAH BRUTHA! NO TO DEY WHO EAT DA POO POO! This meme needs some inner-city circulation for maximum effect.

posts by someone that are obscenely inflammatory to inspire flame threads?

Leo gets it.

I could easily find a dozen republicans who rail on not just family values but on specifically anti-gay talking points who then, spoiler alter, sleep with a man.

I can find a man who openly sleeps with a man who goes off on specifically anti-gay talking points in the article itself!

Are anonymous hookups in the year 2011 a particularly safe, sane, or smart thing to do? No. Will gay guys ever stop having anonymous sex and behaving like “lost boys” or “misfit toys” who refuse to grow up or take responsibility for their promiscuity? Again with the no.

I defy you to find a more anti-gay statement made by any Republican currently in office. A temptation to deviant behavior makes the act neither right, natural, or advisable.

The gay thing is just a bigger magnitude, since it goes to actively keeping a group down while secretly being a member of it.

So if Jerry Sandusky won Congress, supported an anti-pedophile bill, added that he supported it because he as raped by his coach as a kid, and then was found with a boy hiding in the basement, that totally invalidates the bill?

How about: If the gay lifestyle is so repugnant that even those who are drawn to it are motivated to keep it suppressed for the good of society, why am I bothering to support it? When you read the gays in their own words (which are difficult to find TWeb-reprintable versions to post here given their exclusive fascination with sex,) it generally belies the carefully-crafted media notion that 'gays are just like you and me!' They ain't, no matter what the APA says.

They may be closer to Republican politicians than the average American, but that doesn't make them normal. Further, I'll be spreading the "Obama is gay" meme among all of my African-American associates. In just the upstanding journalistic method that the media showed me was okay to use with Marcus Bachmann, of course.

[Epoetker]

Also, I found an old Sailer post that's kind of apropos:

What's interesting about Amaechi is that he exactly fits my model -- that sports are most obsessively interesting to the most masculine little boys, who are the ones least likely to grow up to be gay -- of what kind of gay would be most likely to wind up a highly paid pro athlete: a gigantic basketball player.

Amaechi is 6'-10" and 270 pounds. There are so few men in the world that size that the NBA will take even a gay Englishman as a project and try to turn him into a productive player.

Amaechi is an interesting Barack Obama-type: born in Boston but raised in Manchester, England, his father was a Nigerian who abandoned his white mother, a doctor, when he was three. And, yes, Amaechi is … articulate. His sole distinction as an NBA player was being named to the 1999-2000 NBA All-Interview First Team. He's now pursuing a Ph.D. in child psychology and has donated lots of money and time to child charities.

Fitting my model beautifully, Amaechi was completely bored by basketball, and was only in it for the money, "earning" $9.6 million over five seasons.

Especially liking the comments from his fellow players:

"[Teammate Jarron] Collins' memory, though, is that Amaechi wasn't just indifferent toward his job, but irritated by it and the pro sports atmosphere. "He just wasn't interested in basketball, period," Collins said. "I never knew someone who just disliked the game. I would say that everyone has different motivations to play the game of basketball. John was very clear that money was his. But it really was like, he didn't like the game. It's kind of hard if you hate it."

AHEM. And what kind of performance do you get out of a gay guy? From the Salt Lake Tribune:

John Amaechi remains one of the worst players in franchise history. … So on July 19, 2001, the Jazz signed Amaechi to a four-year, $12 million contract. Over the next two seasons - before being traded - the young Brit redefined the cliche, "Take the money and run." Amaechi took about $6 million of Larry Miller's money and didn't run . . . didn't shoot . . . didn't rebound. Looking back, the price tag for his astonishingly unproductive layover in Utah is mind-boggling. …

...A few paragraphs later, Amaechi explained: … "The truth is Sloan and Jazz management hadn't done their research - otherwise known as scouting. They could tell you all my court tendencies, how I played the game and why I should fit into the system. But they knew nothing of my character."

Every.Single.Thing. is an allegory for Obama's governing style.

This isn't just about me making scurrilious commentary, it's about showing how Obama is the very Model of a Modern Homo Gentleman. Knowing that he's gay actually quite readily explains his past actions as an individual far more quickly and easily than simply pigeonholing him into your standard Democrat party platform.

[Epoetker]

UPDATE: Anthony Weiner is totally gay:

In old conversation excerpts obtained by RadarOnline.com from mistress Traci Nobles' proposal for a tell-all book, the former politician brings up the topic of "3 ways" and reveals that the idea of being with another man is a turn on.

"I'm not really talking about other chicks... How about with another guy?" Weiner asked Nobles.

"Hmmmm, haven't done it before," Nobles said.

"It can be hot," Weiner replies.

"Are you turned on by other guys?" Nobles asked.

"Well it depends on the guy, but generally yes," Weiner divulges.

Given that his wife spent nearly all her time in a very close relationship with crypto-lesbian Hillary Clinton, this surprises me not one bit. Remember folks, Democrat marriages 'work' well because they're essentially public shams meant to make the voters believe the politicians are just like them. They see no problem with gay marriage because their own nominally non-gay marriages are loveless and meaningless marketing ploys to cover for sex lives that have not a whiff of the transcendent, sacramental, or even just plain traditional about them.

[Epoetker]

The hits just keep on coming:

Revealed: Barack Obama's gay transgender prostitute nanny who made him laugh by trying on his mother's lipstick

Best Headline Award.

Barack Obama's former nanny has been revealed as a gay transgender man who made the future president laugh by trying on his mother's lipstick.

'Evie' cared for the boy she called Barry when his mother Ann Dunham moved to the Indonesian capital of Jakarta in the late 1960s.

Openly gay, she would leave the house dressed in full drag - but was very careful that Barack never saw her.[I don't believe this for a second. -ed]

'He was so young and I never let him see me wearing women's clothes,' Evie said. 'But he did see me trying on his mother's lipstick, sometimes. That used to really crack him up.'

The nanny, who turned to prostitution after the family left and now lives in a slum, met the future commander-in-chief's mother at a cocktail party in 1969.

Dunham, who had moved to the country two years earlier with her second husband Lolo Soetoro, sampled Evie's beef steak and fried rice and was so impressed that she offered her a job.

It did not take long before she was also eight-year-old Barack's carer, playing with him and bringing him to and from school.

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The loving face of well-adjusted homosexual normality.

[Darth Executor]

The nanny, who turned to prostitution after the family left and now lives in a slum

I see Obama takes care of his own.

[Epoetker]

I see Obama takes care of his own.

I see you didn't read the entire article, bigot:

Evie hopes her former charge will use his power to fight for people like her. Obama named Amanda Simpson, the first openly transgender appointee, as a senior technical adviser in the Commerce Department in 2010.

Because the best way to help broken people you know is to appoint people with the same fetish to a public position(liberal logic.)

[Psychic Missile]

I see Obama takes care of his own.

Wow, Darth is in favor of increased foreign aid to Indonesia.