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    Cool Existential comics punches scientism in the face, writes articulate blog post why.

    The Philosophy Force Five vs the Scientismists

    "Scientism" is the position that Science can solve all problems, or that all problems are empirical. Philosophically, it is mostly associated with the strongest statements made by the logical positivism movement, which mostly died out in the mid 20th century. Culturally, however, it is stronger than ever, and is closely tied to movements like the so-called "New Atheists". These newer, more naive forms of Scientism, also have a strong tendency to call philosophy "a big waste of time", "pointless arguing", "nothing but semantics", etc. Rhetorically, they tend to say that non-empirical ideas have no way to guarantee they are true, so are pointless to talk about. This is a rather ridiculous point to make, since their entire movement is based around spreading a certain set of non-empirical, philosophical norms, which they apparently don't feel it necessary to open up to criticism.
    Sorry, not sorry, NDGT, Dawkins, Sam Harris, et al.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jin-roh View Post
    The Philosophy Force Five vs the Scientismists
    Sorry, not sorry, NDGT, Dawkins, Sam Harris, et al.
    What are the chances that the Force Five would use strictly empirical methodology to completely discredit Christianity before discarding that methodology to stare at their own navels and explore their feelings? The goofiness of the mid-20th century has done its damage, the weapon may now be discarded, it is now time to move onto the end game.
    Actually YOU put Trump in the White House. He wouldn't have gotten 1% of the vote if it wasn't for the widespread spiritual and cultural devastation caused by progressive policies. There's no "this country" left with your immigration policies, your "allies" are worthless and even more suicidal than you are and democracy is a sick joke that I hope nobody ever thinks about repeating when the current order collapses. - Darth_Executor striking a conciliatory note in Civics 101

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meh Gerbil View Post
    What are the chances that the Force Five would use strictly empirical methodology to completely discredit Christianity before discarding that methodology to stare at their own navels and explore their feelings? The goofiness of the mid-20th century has done its damage, the weapon may now be discarded, it is now time to move onto the end game.
    Gerbil, you realize that not all of those figures were mid 20th century... and... that not all of them would be called "empiricists" ... and ... at least two of them were theists?

    .....right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jin-roh View Post
    Gerbil, you realize that not all of those figures were mid 20th century... and... that not all of them would be called "empiricists" ... and ... at least two of them were theists?

    .....right?
    Didn't read the comic.

    I'm so accustomed to people going hard core empiricist to disprove Christianity only to revert to some weird, unproven pseudo-spiritual nonsense for their daily living while being completely oblivious to the hypocrisy (See: Shunyadragon) that it governs my off the cuff remarks.

    Didn't mean to offend.
    Actually YOU put Trump in the White House. He wouldn't have gotten 1% of the vote if it wasn't for the widespread spiritual and cultural devastation caused by progressive policies. There's no "this country" left with your immigration policies, your "allies" are worthless and even more suicidal than you are and democracy is a sick joke that I hope nobody ever thinks about repeating when the current order collapses. - Darth_Executor striking a conciliatory note in Civics 101

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meh Gerbil View Post
    Didn't read the comic.
    So why comment at all? Honestly, that seemed super pre-judgy of you.

    I'm so accustomed to people going hard core empiricist to disprove Christianity only to revert to some weird, unproven pseudo-spiritual nonsense for their daily living while being completely oblivious to the hypocrisy (See: Shunyadragon) that it governs my off the cuff remarks.
    Uh-huh...

    The comic and the blog criticizes scientism and their pop-advocates -the new athiests-, and makes no comment on Christianity or mysticism.

    Didn't mean to offend.
    Think of how your reply made you look Gerbil. That's all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jin-roh View Post
    Think of how your reply made you look Gerbil. That's all.
    I was attempting to express the idea that I think hitting a mid-20th Century target is waste of time.
    Clowns like those mentioned have already been defeated - I wish strict empiricists were our problem.

    By the way, how did you learn to communicate so much pompous gas-baggery in so few words?
    I'd have to write an entire paragraph to communicate that degree of arrogance.
    Take a look around your one room studio apartment, piled high with books, and ask the stuffed cat on the milk crates (aka: Princess) if the pretension has been worth it.
    Actually YOU put Trump in the White House. He wouldn't have gotten 1% of the vote if it wasn't for the widespread spiritual and cultural devastation caused by progressive policies. There's no "this country" left with your immigration policies, your "allies" are worthless and even more suicidal than you are and democracy is a sick joke that I hope nobody ever thinks about repeating when the current order collapses. - Darth_Executor striking a conciliatory note in Civics 101

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meh Gerbil View Post
    I was attempting to express the idea that I think hitting a mid-20th Century target is waste of time.
    Clowns like those mentioned have already been defeated - I wish strict empiricists were our problem.
    So still not reading the thing... then.

    By the way, how did you learn to communicate so much pompous gas-baggery in so few words?
    Messageboards!

    I have no problem calling out people who express opinions on things, without having read those things.

    I'd have to write an entire paragraph to communicate that degree of arrogance.
    That would be a lot for you?

    Take a look around your one room studio apartment, piled high with books, and ask the stuffed cat on the milk crates (aka: Princess) if the pretension has been worth it.
    Princess only speaks the truth -like that sitar on Moulin Rouge- and reminds me why the thing was posted.

    If the blog and the comic are not of actual interest to you, and you kinda just need to post whatever's in your head already, than you my find a "I hate Shunyadragon's empiricism and pseudo-spiritual nonsense" thread worth starting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jin-roh View Post
    If the blog and the comic are not of actual interest to you, and you kinda just need to post whatever's in your head already, than you my find a "I hate Shunyadragon's empiricism and pseudo-spiritual nonsense" thread worth starting.
    The Existential comics were hitting the men you enumerated.
    I responded that such a target may be poorly considered.

    That is on topic.

    You obviously don't care to discuss that, which is fine.
    I'll leave you be.

    Actually YOU put Trump in the White House. He wouldn't have gotten 1% of the vote if it wasn't for the widespread spiritual and cultural devastation caused by progressive policies. There's no "this country" left with your immigration policies, your "allies" are worthless and even more suicidal than you are and democracy is a sick joke that I hope nobody ever thinks about repeating when the current order collapses. - Darth_Executor striking a conciliatory note in Civics 101

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meh Gerbil View Post
    Didn't read the comic.

    I'm so accustomed to people going hard core empiricist to disprove Christianity only to revert to some weird, unproven pseudo-spiritual nonsense for their daily living while being completely oblivious to the hypocrisy (See: Shunyadragon) that it governs my off the cuff remarks.

    Didn't mean to offend.
    You were right to suspect something is amiss, the whole thing is intended to be an apologia for modern feminism. This becomes clear if you read the piece after the actual comic.
    "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

    There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Executor View Post
    You were right to suspect something is amiss, the whole thing is intended to be an apologia for modern feminism. This becomes clear if you read the piece after the actual comic.
    I've now read that and it was good for a laugh.

    So the new atheists are promoting anti-feminist views which are labeled here as 'conservative'?
    That is pretty funny - I suspect the new atheists are tired of watching government via victimology.
    It has nothing to do with conservatism.
    Actually YOU put Trump in the White House. He wouldn't have gotten 1% of the vote if it wasn't for the widespread spiritual and cultural devastation caused by progressive policies. There's no "this country" left with your immigration policies, your "allies" are worthless and even more suicidal than you are and democracy is a sick joke that I hope nobody ever thinks about repeating when the current order collapses. - Darth_Executor striking a conciliatory note in Civics 101

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