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    Becoming the Right Person vs. Doing Right for Right Reasons

    Which is more important? Becoming the right kind of person or doing what is right for the right reasons. Can someone explain why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaxb View Post
    Which is more important? Becoming the right kind of person or doing what is right for the right reasons. Can someone explain why?
    What's the difference? It seems to me like the right kind of person will do what is right for the right reasons...

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    Presumably, the right kind of person would do the right thing for the right reasons. Which would not preclude the wrong kind of person from doing the right thing for the right reasons, AFAICT
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    Quote Originally Posted by tabibito View Post
    Presumably, the right kind of person would do the right thing for the right reasons.
    Who determines what constitutes “the right kind of person”?

    Which would not preclude the wrong kind of person from doing the right thing for the right reasons, AFAICT
    Or the “wrong kind of person” doing the right thing for the wrong reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tassman View Post
    Who determines what constitutes “the right kind of person”?
    That would be determined by what the particular right thing is, meseems.


    Or the “wrong kind of person” doing the right thing for the wrong reason.
    True - all the permutations would seemingly work.
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    In Christian Theology doing right without being the right kind of person is a good thing but the purpose of a new nature is to be the right kind of person.
    The goal isn't an external moderation of behavior but a change of nature (that which corrupts comes from the internal, not from the external).

    I don't even know if my answer is on topic.
    Actually YOU put Trump in the White House. He wouldn't have gotten 1% of the vote if it wasn't for the widespread spiritual and cultural devastation caused by progressive policies. There's no "this country" left with your immigration policies, your "allies" are worthless and even more suicidal than you are and democracy is a sick joke that I hope nobody ever thinks about repeating when the current order collapses. - Darth_Executor striking a conciliatory note in Civics 101

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tassman View Post
    Who determines what constitutes “the right kind of person”?
    Who or "what" determines. Who is personal, that only a personal source determines what constitutes what is good. "What" is only if what is good is a matter of objective reality. The "Who" and "what" can be one and the same. Or only be one or the other not both.
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    . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3, 4.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tabibito View Post
    Presumably, the right kind of person would do the right thing for the right reasons. Which would not preclude the wrong kind of person from doing the right thing for the right reasons, AFAICT
    I was going to reply to this post, but I was so tired I accidentally amened it. I don't think even Cow Poke has ever made that kind of blunder.


    Anyway, I'm not sure if the wrong kind of person can do the right thing for the right reasons. To me it seems like the doing the right thing because you're the right kind of person is the same as doing it for the right reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrawnus View Post
    I was going to reply to this post, but I was so tired I accidentally amened it. I don't think even Cow Poke has ever made that kind of blunder.


    Anyway, I'm not sure if the wrong kind of person can do the right thing for the right reasons. To me it seems like the doing the right thing because you're the right kind of person is the same as doing it for the right reason.
    I've been trying to think of an example - but in the final analysis, taking the action turns the wrong kind of person into the right kind of person.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaxb View Post
    Which is more important? Becoming the right kind of person or doing what is right for the right reasons. Can someone explain why?
    The most important thing is that our behavior pleases and glorifies God, the rest is academic...
    “The essential American soul is hard, isolate, stoic, and a killer. It has never yet melted.” D.H. Lawrence

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