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Thread: Trinity question: The eternal Son before the incarnation

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    Quote Originally Posted by 37818 View Post
    As a paraphrase OK.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Christian3 View Post
    My point is that there is within the Trinity an eternal sonship prior to the Word becoming flesh.

    I would say it is a matter of relationship.
    Yes, the relations within the Trinity are eternal:

    the Son is eternally begotten by the Father
    the Father eternally begets the Son
    the Father and the Son spirate (breath forth) the Holy Spirit
    the Holy Spirit is eternally spirated.

    All four relations are eternally "within" God - unlike the Divine relations to creation, "outwith" God; for the relation of God to creation is dependent on there being a creation to be in relation to Him - otherwise we would have to say that the creation is co-eternal with God. Creation is "outwith" God, not locally, as though God were spatially localised, but in the sense that it is "other than" God. And it is "other than" God, for the reason that it has no being but what He has graciously and sovereignly bestowed on it. Which is manifestly not true of the co-eternal Divine Persons, Who are God, not creatures.

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