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[Hitch]

really???

Matthew 5:17
“Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill.

You obviously think that Jesus abolished the Law and the prophets in favor of something else that would have been completely foreign to the Apostles.

It's too stupid to bother discussing Bill and its off topic, start a thread maybe you'll be elected High Priest .

Now you've blathered on and on about Z14, its time you did something beside moan and complain, You can start with explaining why none of the Apostles quoted this passage and indentified it as the Second Advent, then you can teach us all why , in this particular case, the catastrophic visions should be literalised, Then Id like you to tell me the exact year the prophecy leaves the first century and moves to the indefinite future.

[Bill the Cat]

It's too stupid to bother discussing Bill and its off topic, start a thread maybe you'll be elected High Priest .

You are too stupid to understand it.

Now that is out of the way, here is the timeline I promised:

Zech 14
1 Behold, a day is coming for the LORD when the spoil taken from you will be divided among you.
2 For I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem to battle, and the city will be captured, the houses plundered, the women ravished and half of the city exiled, but the rest of the people will not be cut off from the city.

Let’s assume this is ~70 AD

3 Then the LORD will go forth and fight against those nations, as when He fights on a day of battle.

? The “then” indicates it will happen after the events in 1-2.

4 In that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, which is in front of Jerusalem on the east; and the Mount of Olives will be split in its middle from east to west by a very large valley, so that half of the mountain will move toward the north and the other half toward the south.

In the same time frame as vs. 3, which is after the events of 1-2

5 You will flee by the valley of My mountains, for the valley of the mountains will reach to Azel; yes, you will flee just as you fled before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Then the LORD, my God, will come, and all the holy ones with Him!

After the events of Vs. 4, which is after the events of 3, which is after the events of 1-2. So, the Lord comes with His Holy ones AFTER the events of vs 4. So, His coming can NOT be the same event as in vs. 1-2

6 In that day there will be no light; the luminaries will dwindle.
7 For it will be a unique day which is known to the LORD, neither day nor night, but it will come about that at evening time there will be light.

Since this refers directly back to the event at the end of vs. 5, and vs. 5 is not the same event as vs. 1, it can not be 70 AD.

8 And in that day living waters will flow out of Jerusalem, half of them toward the eastern sea and the other half toward the western sea; it will be in summer as well as in winter.

Here is where you go hopscotch crazy. You said earlier in this thread that this verse was fulfilled at the well with the Samaritan woman, well before 70 AD, despite this verse that explains that this will happen AFTER the events of vs. 1-2.


Since I’ve shown the fallacy of your timeline with these two verses and your admission in post 27, I’ll sit back and enjoy one of two things:

1) You dismissing my post out of bitter frustration at your faulty timeline
2) You spin this prophecy like a merry-go-round

[Hitch]

You are too stupid to understand it.

Now that is out of the way, here is the timeline I promised:

Zech 14
1 Behold, a day is coming for the LORD when the spoil taken from you will be divided among you.
2 For I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem to battle, and the city will be captured, the houses plundered, the women ravished and half of the city exiled, but the rest of the people will not be cut off from the city.

Let’s assume this is ~70 AD

3 Then the LORD will go forth and fight against those nations, as when He fights on a day of battle.

? The “then” indicates it will happen after the events in 1-2.

4 In that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, which is in front of Jerusalem on the east; and the Mount of Olives will be split in its middle from east to west by a very large valley, so that half of the mountain will move toward the north and the other half toward the south.

In the same time frame as vs. 3, which is after the events of 1-2

5 You will flee by the valley of My mountains, for the valley of the mountains will reach to Azel; yes, you will flee just as you fled before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Then the LORD, my God, will come, and all the holy ones with Him!

After the events of Vs. 4, which is after the events of 3, which is after the events of 1-2. So, the Lord comes with His Holy ones AFTER the events of vs 4. So, His coming can NOT be the same event as in vs. 1-2

6 In that day there will be no light; the luminaries will dwindle.
7 For it will be a unique day which is known to the LORD, neither day nor night, but it will come about that at evening time there will be light.

Since this refers directly back to the event at the end of vs. 5, and vs. 5 is not the same event as vs. 1, it can not be 70 AD.

8 And in that day living waters will flow out of Jerusalem, half of them toward the eastern sea and the other half toward the western sea; it will be in summer as well as in winter.

Here is where you go hopscotch crazy. You said earlier in this thread that this verse was fulfilled at the well with the Samaritan woman, well before 70 AD, despite this verse that explains that this will happen AFTER the events of vs. 1-2.


Since I’ve shown the fallacy of your timeline with these two verses and your admission in post 27, I’ll sit back and enjoy one of two things:

From post #27;

Ok so the 'Living Water ' is flowing , just as I said it was and it began at the Samarian well, You got one right and didnt even know it.
Like I said ,you dont have to believe John ,you dont have to believe Jesus , and its clear you do not. Jesus announces the flow of 'living water' fairly early in His ministry, that flow has never stopped and will not stop in history. And it appears this is the lynch pin of your argument and it simply does not serve the purpose you require. Try again.

1) You dismissing my post out of bitter frustration at your faulty timeline
2) You spin this prophecy like a merry-go-round

[Bill the Cat]

From post #27;

Ok so the 'Living Water ' is flowing , just as I said it was and it began at the Samarian well, You got one right and didnt even know it.
Like I said ,you dont have to believe John ,you dont have to believe Jesus , and its clear you do not. Jesus announces the flow of 'living water' fairly early in His ministry, that flow has never stopped and will not stop in history. And it appears this is the lynch pin of your argument and it simply does not serve the purpose you require. Try again.

And # 2 it is! Spin the prophecy. This verse has nothing to do with the "living water" inside of us. It refers to "living water" flowing from Jerusalem AFTER He comes with his Holy ones. And you still can't explain the timeline offered and must mangle each of the items in the prophecy. But, hey... don't believe Zechariah or God.

[Hitch]

And # 2 it is! Spin the prophecy. This verse has nothing to do with the "living water" inside of us. It refers to "living water" flowing from Jerusalem AFTER He comes with his Holy ones. And you still can't explain the timeline offered and must mangle each of the items in the prophecy. But, hey... don't believe Zechariah or God.

Rave on jr , its fun to watch.

And all to get Jesus back to preside over bloody sacrifices, pure tragic comedy.

[Bill the Cat]

Rave on jr , its fun to watch.

Lunatics usually find others crazy. You are yellow.

And all to get Jesus back to preside over bloody sacrifices, pure tragic comedy.

Where have I ever said that there will be a return to blood sacrifices?

[Hitch]

Now you've blathered on and on about Z14, its time you did something beside moan and complain, You can start with explaining why none of the Apostles quoted this passage and indentifide it as the Second Advent, then you can teach us all why , in this particular case, the catastrophic visions should be literalised, Then Id like you to tell me the exact year the prophecy leaves the first century and moves to the indefinite future.

[Hitch]

Lunatics usually find others crazy. You are yellow.



Where have I ever said that there will be a return to blood sacrifices?

Judaism requires them Bill .

[Bill the Cat]

Judaism requires them Bill .

No it doesn't. That's complete and total ignorance of Judaism. It requires sacrifice, which was offered on Calvary. No further blood offering is necessary.

[Bill the Cat]

Now you've blathered on and on about Z14, its time you did something beside moan and complain, You can start with explaining why none of the Apostles quoted this passage and indentifide it as the Second Advent, then you can teach us all why , in this particular case, the catastrophic visions should be literalised, Then Id like you to tell me the exact year the prophecy leaves the first century and moves to the indefinite future.

When you quit dodging the timeline I offered, I'll move past Zech 14. I have one more doozie for you to spin on once I have thoroughly humiliated you on Zech 14. After that, I'll leave you to this nonsense thread.

[Hitch]

When you quit dodging the timeline I offered, I'll move past Zech 14. I have one more doozie for you to spin on once I have thoroughly humiliated you on Zech 14. After that, I'll leave you to this nonsense thread.

Now you've blathered on and on about Z14, its time you did something beside moan and complain, You can start with explaining why none of the Apostles quoted this passage and identified it as the Second Advent, then you can teach us all why , in this particular case, the catastrophic visions should be literalised, Then Id like you to tell me the exact year the prophecy leaves the first century and moves to the indefinite future.


Dont run now Bill you can really show me up , we're all waiting.

[Hitch]

No it doesn't. That's complete and total ignorance of Judaism. It requires sacrifice, which was offered on Calvary. No further blood offering is necessary.

Then no temple, no priesthood, no circumscision,,, LOL no judaism. You're off your nut.

[Hitch]

When you quit dodging the timeline I offered, I'll move past Zech 14. I have one more doozie for you to spin on once I have thoroughly humiliated you on Zech 14. After that, I'll leave you to this nonsense thread.

That one broke on the lip of the well Bill.

In individual Christians and the church at large the 'living water; flows . The Destruction didnt stop it, and nothing will but the end of time.

[Bill the Cat]

Now you've blathered on and on about Z14, its time you did something beside moan and complain, You can start with explaining why none of the Apostles quoted this passage and identified it as the Second Advent, then you can teach us all why , in this particular case, the catastrophic visions should be literalised, Then Id like you to tell me the exact year the prophecy leaves the first century and moves to the indefinite future.


Dont run now Bill you can really show me up , we're all waiting.

You too cowardly to address the timing of Zech 14? Why should I let you off the hook?

[Bill the Cat]

Then no temple, no priesthood, no circumscision,,, LOL no judaism. You're off your nut.

What a joke. You are completely ignorant of EVERYTHNG that has to do with post-Messianic sacrifice Judaism. Completed Judaism is what the Messianics call it. The Temple is in heaven, and we are the temple on earth, a type of the one in heaven. we are the Priesthood, the priesthood of all believers, and our baptism is an anti-type of circumcision. Completed Judaism lives and exists and is called Christianity. You are just ignorant of it.