What is the best way to get rid of...

[grmorton]

Wouldn't someone from the ASA want them?

I don't think I want to give it to that useless organization that makes absolutely no impact, and has few convictions. Shoot, they all seem to agree with Tiggy that the Bible contains no true at all!

Sorry, Tiggy, I just had to use your name in this. I don't want, as you said in an earlier post, to start our sad debate again.

[grmorton]

Take a look at the third line in his signature on his posts

Good catch there Rogue

[grmorton]

Is that fair on the ASA?

I think my signature is fair. Their president didn't like me questioning whether or not a guy who couldn't answer a simple scientific question about whether or not one could get a good daily temperature reading if one put the thermometer next to an air conditioner should be running a scientific organization. He said he would have to think about that. And that guy is running the ASA. So the president shut down their old listserv and said I would not be welcome any longer. All this for the nasty habit of asking a question. You know, people just hate to be challenged about their religious beliefs.

[Tiggy]

I don't think I want to give it to that useless organization that makes absolutely no impact, and has few convictions. Shoot, they all seem to agree with Tiggy that the Bible contains no true at all!

I have never said or thought the Bible contains no truth at all.

Please retract that falsehood, thanks.

Sorry, Tiggy, I just had to use your name in this. I don't want, as you said in an earlier post, to start our sad debate again.

I don't mind you using my name. Just don't fabricate things and attribute them to me.

- T

[Harestone]

That is a totally untrue statement about the ASA , Mr Morton

[lilpixieofterror]

I'm mesmerized, awe-struck at how you make your ignorance sound almost "intelligent".

And of course, you can't show a single case of that ignorance and do what you do best, call everybody stupid for disagreeing with you.

I had asked what you had done, not for you to mindlessly parrot the usual party-line quotes
concerning the 1611AKJV v. modern English translation. Clearly you are as clueless on
this matter as you are regarding Evolution and Gigayears.

So it is not a fact that the KJV is written in a form of English that is 400 years old and many people who don't regularly read that form of English or are not accustomed to reading that form of English isn't an established fact? So you're saying that the KJV being based upon less accurate manuscripts that are in the Latin and tend to hold to a 'high Christology' that isn't found in older, Greek based manuscripts isn't an established fact? Wow Jorge, thanks for ignoring the established facts and simply doing what you do best, calling anybody you disagree with ignorant. Can you please show a single example of the KJV being more accurate then the NASV or show the KJV as being simpler to read and understand the the more modern translations out there?

I guess the answer is that you've done nothing. Roger that... carry on, Terror.

Translation: "Crap, I can't answer that, let me run away and declare victory so I can pretend I know everything!"

And thus Jorge does what he does best, declares victory and never actually deals with the facts against his position. Once a fundy, always a fundy, eh Jorge?

[lilpixieofterror]

Thanks Tiggy, that is very kind of you, but eventually my illness is terminal. I am just trying to delay the game as long as I can. As one friend who has prostate cancer said, it is the doubling time of cancer that kills you, I have a cancer with a very short doubling time if untreated and thankfully (to God) mine has been treatable so far. Eight years that I didn't expect to get when I was diagnosed. Neither did the doctor think I would be here this long. Mayb God is leaving me here to irritate you!

I'm sorry to hear about that gr. Best of luck with you.

[DuraGizer]

Can you please show a single example of the KJV being more accurate then the NASV or show the KJV as being simpler to read and understand the the more modern translations out there?

Show "divers sins" to any average joe, and he'll think the book's talking about the evil of guys who like jumping into the local watering hole.

[Faid]

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Without even looking (coz I really don't care) is that the best you got against me?
Geesh ... you must be really desperate if you're digging that deep into the barrel !

Jorge

Well this is derailing Glenn's thread, so I'll drop it. I do have to say however that I needn't dig deep into any barrel: When someone who claims 9+ years of expertise makes a claim that "And there was evening, and there was morning, day one" was a "modern translation", deliberately using an "indefinite/non-specific form" by "compromising translators", well, that claim has a tendency to -ahem- float to the surface.

[shunyadragon]

a huge library of young-earth creationist books?

I am pretty much through with the C/E issue as I have lost total interest in both 1. wasting my time arguing with those who are unconvincable and 2. working on the side of too many religious bigots, who really aren't concerned with observational fact but with stomping out religion itself.

I have a heck of a lot of old creationist books, I haven't counted them but probably 350-400 different books. Ideas are appreciated for what to do with this resource.

I also have a lot of scientific books, geology, anthropology, physics etc. It is time to start disposing of it.

I will come back here in a few weeks to see what suggestions there are.

Make blocks out of them with broken computer printers and build a house.

[KBertsche]

a huge library of young-earth creationist books?

I am pretty much through with the C/E issue as I have lost total interest in both 1. wasting my time arguing with those who are unconvincable and 2. working on the side of too many religious bigots, who really aren't concerned with observational fact but with stomping out religion itself.

I have a heck of a lot of old creationist books, I haven't counted them but probably 350-400 different books. Ideas are appreciated for what to do with this resource.

I also have a lot of scientific books, geology, anthropology, physics etc. It is time to start disposing of it.

I will come back here in a few weeks to see what suggestions there are.

Glenn, I suggest that you donate them to some person or group who would:
1) be able to use them in useful research, to educate others
2) not be deceived by their errors

This probably means a (non-YEC) Christian ministry or Christian college which is interested in either the history of YEC or in engaging YECs in discussion. Places that come to mind are ASA, RTB (Hugh Ross), Biola (John Bloom, Wm Lane Craig, et al), Ravi Zacharius Ministries, Wheaton College, Calvin College, etc.

[Jorge]

Glenn, I suggest that you donate them to some person or group who would:
1) be able to use them in useful research, to educate others
2) not be deceived by their errors

This probably means a (non-YEC) Christian ministry or Christian college which is interested in either the history of YEC or in engaging YECs in discussion. Places that come to mind are ASA, RTB (Hugh Ross), Biola (John Bloom, Wm Lane Craig, et al), Ravi Zacharius Ministries, Wheaton College, Calvin College, etc.

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Why not just say, "Anyone that is against Biblical Creationism" and save yourself a lot of typing?

"(2) not be deceived by their errors" --- you got'ta love the sheer magnitude of the irony - WOW!!!

Jorge