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Originally posted by Sparko View Postwhat a lot of liberals don't realize is that much of the confederate symbolism (flags, statues, place names) came about as part of the reconciliation between north and south. Honoring the soldiers of the south was a way to embrace the south back into the Union, to say all is forgiven, welcome back brother, let's have peace. By destroying the statues, taking down the flags, renaming the streets and buildings, they are taking all that away.He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it. - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by Doug Shaver View PostOriginally posted by Mountain ManThe other problem is that skeptics are largely (and often willfully) ignorant of proper Biblical interpretation, so the accusation of "selectivity" is more often than not a knee-jerk reaction rather than a reasoned rebuttal."Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Sparko View Postlol. typical jimmy. deny! then admit he doesn't even know the truth.
Yes Jim. study some history.
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Originally posted by Kbertsche View PostYou seem to have no clue that biblical hermeneutics is a well developed field, with a generally accepted methodology, generally leading to similar conclusions by careful exegetes.
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Originally posted by Kbertsche View PostAnd you only reinforce Mountain Man's point. You seem to have no clue that biblical hermeneutics is a well developed field, with a generally accepted methodology, generally leading to similar conclusions by careful exegetes.
"But in science , we can do experiments and eliminate propositions that are false!"
While it's true that you can't conduct experiments on Biblical texts, this is a red herring which ignores the larger point that scientists will study a matter in order to acquire additional knowledge until they arrive at what is most likely the truth, which is exactly what we do when interpreting scripture.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostSkeptics like to start with the obviously absurd premise that every proposed interpretation is on equal footing...Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.
seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...
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Originally posted by Doug Shaver View PostOriginally posted by kbertscheYou seem to have no clue that biblical hermeneutics is a well developed field, with a generally accepted methodology, generally leading to similar conclusions by careful exegetes."Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Roy View PostThat is an obviously absurd premise - which is why I strongly doubt skeptics start with it. I know I don't.Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. St. John Chrysostom
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I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostWhat a load of rubbish. Far from being an attempt at "reconciliation between north and south" they constitute an act of defiance...unfinished business as it were. It was precisely because of this that the Supremacists initially congregated in Lee Park by a statue of Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee for their hate-filled, Alt-Right rally.
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Originally posted by Roy View PostThat is an obviously absurd premise - which is why I strongly doubt skeptics start with it. I know I don't.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Many? Some? A few? Are you talking about the majority, or just the JM-equivalent strata like Boris?Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.
seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...
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Originally posted by JimL View PostTypical Sparko, doesn't understand what a hypothetical argument is.
History has nothing to do with whether it is right or wrong to glorify the treasonous white supremacists, and the flag they fought under. Should the Germans glorify Hitler with statues and Nazi flags flying because its their heritage? I don't think so.
Are YOU a traitor, JimL? Are the Califorians traitors? The Antifa? the Democrats?
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Originally posted by Roy View PostMany? Some? A few? Are you talking about the majority, or just the JM-equivalent strata like Boris?Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostAll I can tell you is that I've encountered that sort of argument often enough to convince me that it's a prevalent view among skeptics. It's not like I can give you exact numbers, but my gut tells me it's greater than 50%.He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it. - Douglas Adams.
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