In case you never understood where people were coming from

[Jaecp]

With the idea that a big, messy complicated universe was a mark against Special Creation or just want to look at something really really (really really really) cool, check this out

http://www.scaleofuniverse.com/

From planck length to the entirety of the visible universe (and beyond) all in one scalable image, very cool. Like a more indepth version of this awesome XKCD strip, Height.

Found this shortly after reading Richard Carriers Interview with some Christian site called The Best Schools where he said,

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Similarly the “fine tuning” of the universe’s physical constants: that would be a great proof—if it wasn’t exactly the same thing we’d see if a god didn’t exist. If there is no god, we will only ever find ourselves in a universe finely tuned (in that case, by random chance), because without a god, there is no other kind of universe that can produce us. Likewise, a universe that produced us by chance would have to be enormously vast in size and enormously old, so as to have all the room to mix countless chemicals countless times in countless places so as to have any chance of accidentally kicking up something as complex as life. And that’s exactly the universe we see: one enormously vast in size and age. A godless universe would also only produce life rarely and sparingly, and that’s also what we see: by far most of the universe is lethal to life (being a deadly radiation filled vacuum) and by far most of the matter in the universe is lethal to life (constituting stars and black holes on which no life can ever live). Again, all exactly what we’d expect of a godless universe. Not what we’d expect of a god-made one.

Thus, we have exactly the universe we’d expect to have if there is no god. Whereas a god does not need vast trillions of star systems and billions of years to make life. He doesn’t need vast quantities of lethal space and deadly matter. Only a godless universe needs that. I make a more detailed survey of this kind of evidence in “Neither Life Nor the Universe Appear Intelligently Designed” in John Loftus’s The End of Christianity. It also does no good to say such a random accidental universe is improbable, because the convenient existence of a marvelously “super-omni” god is just as improbable. Either way you are assuming some amazing luck. Which leaves the evidence. And the evidence is just way more probable if there’s no god. Thus, we’re forced to choose between which lucky accident it was, and the evidence confirms the one and not the other.

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It's some sort of Conservative Christian degree finder place that looks to be a pretty nifty place if your looking to find a Christian Grad School Apologetics Programs or find out who they think The Top 50 atheists are, overall pretty cool.

[Hamster]

That's a pretty cool flash presentation. And our universe is great if you're a fan of hydrogen gas

[The Pixie]

That's a pretty cool flash presentation. And our universe is great if you're a fan of hydrogen gas

Who isn't?

[Jedidiah]

I prefer bacon.

[37818]

If one understands the real identity of God, then it is explicit that there is nothing without God. And nothing does not exist. But typicall the uncaused self existent existence is not recognized to be God. (Reference the meaning of the Hebrew Name of God.)

[Jaecp]

I respect that is what you believe, but it isn't really a position you are going to get much out of in a discussion with people who don't hold your beliefs. Cart before the horse, and all that/

Would love to get a conversation going, but to be on the same page I'd ask you to read the part where Carrier talks about the distinction between what a natural universe would need to create life vs a god created universe not needing that. There is more under the fold.

[Ygarl]

I prefer bacon.

Well - bacon - at its most elemental level - is almost pure gas!
Oh - and hand me the bread and I'll share a bacon sarnie with ya!
Nom nom.

[Seasanctuary]

I prefer bacon.

The heavier elements in bacon were born from hydrogen fusion in the heart of a star. Every strip is star stuff.

[Jedidiah]

No wonder it is so good.