$15/hr Min Wage - We told you so

[Cow Poke]

I explored this in another thread a while back where we discussed the fact that some US parents kick kids out of home for being gay, and that this sort of mistreatment of children is tolerated in the US under some sort of insane belief that parents have some sort of right to raise their children however they like with minimal concern for the welfare of the child;....

Wow. Word vomit.

[KingsGambit]

Because my personal situation was again used earlier to imply that I am asking to raise the minimum wage - for the second or third time, I have never called for a raising of the minimum wage. I have never worked full time at federal minimum wage and I understand the economic cases against such a wage, which are exacerberated by out of control automation. Please do not attribute motivations to me that do not exist.

[rogue06]

No, I'm still in the thread, Shirlock. It amazes me how hard you work at being wrong.

Sherlock

I got to correct the spelling nazi!

[Cow Poke]

Sherlock

I got to correct the spelling nazi!

Ya know, earlier, I spelled pedantic incorrectly -- I typed pendantic -- and I was REALLY tempted to leave it misspelled so you could ... you know, pedant!

I loves ya brudder.

[One Bad Pig]

No, I'm still in the thread, Shirlock. It amazes me how hard you work at being wrong.

He seems to be accusing you of leaving the discussion, not the thread.

Yes, he's still wrong.

[Cow Poke]

He seems to be accusing you of leaving the discussion, not the thread.

Yes, he's still wrong.

His initial assessment, however, was that I ran "exactly like Teal did". Obviously, that's not true. But, yeah, you're right.

[Sparko]

I was referring to the numerous commands given in the NT, where your God makes clear what he thinks you should be doing.

If you still have problems doing the right thing even in spite of your religious book telling you to, I have zero problem with the government helping you to.

God wants us to do the right thing out of love, not because the Government makes us. And the government making employers pay $15/hour as minimum wage is not helping anyone. It hurts the employers, the employees and the consumers.

The employers have to either cut down on employees, or their hours to remain profitable, or raise their prices to make up the difference. The consumer either ends up with an inferior product or a very expensive product. The employee either ends up making near the same or less because of hours being cut, or finding out he is now in an economy where everything is more expensive and his buying power still remains the same as before.

[Psychic Missile]

No, I'm still in the thread, Shirlock. It amazes me how hard you work at being wrong.

From my perspective, you made a terrible argument, I explained how you're wrong, you made a few meaningless statements because that's all you had left and said you were leaving me and my argument, then when I accused you of hypocrisy you returned to the discussion with me to argue over something pedantic. If you want to prove yourself correct, you make good arguments and you don't say you're leaving twice. If you want to be dishonest, you can address an issue that has no relation to the topic and refuse to acknowledge or reinforce your bogus opinion having been shown to be incorrect. This tangent really shouldn't have gone on this long but you clearly find it more important.

[Cow Poke]

From my perspective...

If there's something of substance you'd like to discuss, PM, I'm obviously still here. If you want to continue your pathetic derail, count me out.

Thanks

[Cow Poke]

Why The $15 Minimum Wage Will Cost California 400,000 Jobs

In the new year, less-skilled workers across California will face an old, familiar threat to their employment: A soaring minimum wage.

In 2016, Gov. Jerry Brown signed a bill that put the state minimum wage on track to reach $15 per hour by 2022. The next increase—from $10.50 to $11.00—is scheduled for Jan. 1, 2018. If you're a business in one of thirteen different California localities--from Mountain View to Milpitas, and from San Jose to Santa Clara--the required wage floor will rise even higher.

When he signed $15 into law, Gov. Brown seemed to understand that the increase was a bad idea, acknowledging that "economically, minimum wages make not make sense." Today, California's good intentions are catching up with it.

The warning signs started early; dozens of stories chronicled businesses closing, cutting staff, or leaving the state. A rash of restaurant closures in the Bay Area led one food-industry publication to describe it as a "death march." Even child-care providers were hurt. (Some of the closures are featured in the video below.) A team of economists at Harvard Business School and Mathematica Policy Research determined that the rising minimum wage in the Bay Area contributed to these closures.

This, as opposed to companies voluntarily increasing wages due to incentives in the new Tax Plan.

[Cow Poke]

Wage increases...

• AT&T said it will give $1,000 bonuses to "more than 200,000 AT&T U.S. employees" and fulfill a $1 billion capital investment pledge as soon as the bill becomes law.
  
• Fifth-Third Bancorp told Axios' Dan Primack that it will raise the minimum wage of its workforce to $15 per hour. It said 3,000 of its employees currently make less than $15 per hour. When asked why, given the $1.5 billion it made last year in profit, they had no comment.
  
• Wells Fargo will reportedly increase its minimum wage to $15 an hour. The San Francisco-based bank also plans to allocate $400 million in donations to community and nonprofit organizations in 2018.

Again, not because somebody held a gun to their heads, or "legislated", but because they were incentivized by Trump's tax reform.

[Starlight]

Wage increases...

• AT&T said it will give $1,000 bonuses to "more than 200,000 AT&T U.S. employees" and fulfill a $1 billion capital investment pledge as soon as the bill becomes law.
  
• Fifth-Third Bancorp told Axios' Dan Primack that it will raise the minimum wage of its workforce to $15 per hour. It said 3,000 of its employees currently make less than $15 per hour. When asked why, given the $1.5 billion it made last year in profit, they had no comment.
  
• Wells Fargo will reportedly increase its minimum wage to $15 an hour. The San Francisco-based bank also plans to allocate $400 million in donations to community and nonprofit organizations in 2018.

Again, not because somebody held a gun to their heads, or "legislated", but because they were incentivized by Trump's tax reform.

You're falling for their lies. AT&T Credits Trump for Bonus Its Union Already Negotiated. The AT&T bonus had been negotiated and announced weeks before the tax bill passed.

A lot of companies find it convenient to lie to the gullible for PR purposes. There's been some good investigative reporting into past tax reductions and they pretty consistently found that what the companies said in public they would do with the money turned out to be lies.

[Cow Poke]

You're falling for their lies. AT&T Credits Trump for Bonus Its Union Already Negotiated. The AT&T bonus had been negotiated and announced weeks before the tax bill passed.

SHOCKING that politics was involved. WHO KNEW!

A lot of companies find it convenient to lie to the gullible for PR purposes. There's been some good investigative reporting into past tax reductions and they pretty consistently found that what the companies said in public they would do with the money turned out to be lies.

I can always count on you to be fair and balanced.

[Starlight]

Just spotted today in the headlines:
Hundreds of metro AT&T employees laid off just before Christmas:

AT&T has announced layoff’s affecting people in five states, including Missouri.

Just days before Christmas, hundreds of people in the metro found out they will be out of jobs come Jan. 4...

The meeting falls on the same night AT&T announced $1,000 bonuses for more than 200,000 U.S. employees in response to the GOP Tax Plan passing...

“How can you lay people off and then give them $1,000 and say that there’s going to be more jobs available? I wish someone could tell me how that’s possible..."

[Cow Poke]

ATT is a huge company that's constantly changing. I hated DirecTV, so I switched to ATT, and lo and behold, ATT bought DirecTV.

Here's some more news....

AT&T t says it plans to cut about 4,600 jobs, or 1.5% of its workforce, to shift resources to growing parts of its business.

The nation's largest telecommunications provider said most of the layoffs will be among managers.

AT&T said the job cuts — affecting its wireline telephone business mostly in the United States in "non-customer-facing areas" — are part of its efforts to streamline the company.

The job cuts, which are on top of a three-year plan to cut 10,000 jobs announced at the end of last year, come as it faces declining traditional phone sales and rising costs for deploying new, high-speed Internet and video services.

"Even with the reductions announced today, we expect our head count overall to remain stable this year as we hire additional employees to support growth areas like wireless and TV," said spokesman Michael Coe.