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Originally posted by Carrikature View PostIt doesn't assume any such thing. Nothing about likelihood or amounts of evidence is required to state the fact that miracle claims are nearly universal.
You mean people misinterpreting things or having others believe their (possibly unintentionally) exaggerated stories? Because conspiracy theories and fringe groups thrive on oppression? You don't need real miracles or even a real Jesus to have the growth of a belief system, any more than you need Moroni to have actually visited Mr. Smith.
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Originally posted by firstfloor View PostThere is no question that people have gods and they call their god, God the Father and other things. That much is real and true.
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Originally posted by firstfloor View PostThere is no question that people have gods and they call their god, God the Father and other things. That much is real and true.Originally posted by firstfloor View PostBut oddly, if I ask you what this god of yours is, it turns out that you are not so intimately acquainted but have to answer by reading your ancient Hebrew and Greek scriptures. I think that the true answer is closer to home.Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
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Since Christianity far predates you, the burden is your own. You're the one making claims about otherwise established fact.
Also, your example is silly - neither participant has established what moon frogs are like - if the silly things have wings they may never leave foot prints - ditto if they live under moon dust. You criticize the counter argument but incorrectly - the nature of moon frogs wasn't pre-established. Without that, you have an open door to counterarguments based on the actual nature of the silly things."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by Apologiaphoenix View PostYes it does. Saying the accounts are universal does not say anything about the evidences put forward for an individual claim. It only works if you assume a priori that all accounts have equal evidence.
Originally posted by Apologiaphoenix View PostOkay. Feel free to give an explanation exactly of what happened that takes into account the data agreed to even by skeptical scholars.I'm not here anymore.
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostWith all due respect, I HAVE been paying attention - since before this site even existed.I'm not here anymore.
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Originally posted by Carrikature View PostThat's just nonsense. It doesn't matter if they all have equal evidence. Miracle claims in the same religion don't even have equal evidence. You're setting a bar your own religion doesn't pass.
You mean the part where people die willingly for strongly held beliefs, like suicide bombers and kamikazes?
Or do you mean the part where people can convince others of their beliefs even when those beliefs are downright delusional?
I don't know what hurdle you think exists here. People aren't rational beings. A claim that someone would only do X if Y is true just doesn't work IRL. When it comes to martyrs, examples of that principle abound.
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Originally posted by Carrikature View PostYou've just been ignoring all the ones that don't fit your narrative? I honestly find it hard to believe you actually think what you posted.Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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Originally posted by Carrikature View Post
What about 'predates' comes out to 'established fact'? That's not how it works."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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