Romney crushes Gingrich in Nevada Primary

[Nathan Poe]

Not that this comes as a surprise to anyone...

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/e...000650988.html

But I've got to say, Gingrich is starting to get sad...

Calling himself the true conservative in the race, Gingrich compared himself to Republican titans who fended off moderate challengers in 1964 and 1980. "Reagan had this challenge with John Connally. Goldwater had this challenge with Nelson Rockefeller," Gingrich said, adding, "Reagan lost five straight primaries before he started winning in 1976."

(Ronald Reagan did not, of course, win the Republican presidential nomination in 1976.)

Perhaps Newt's already laying the groundwork for his 2016 campaign?

[Jaecp]

At least Ron Paul sticks these things out for the free air time,

One wonders what Gingrich thinks he's doing

[Mountain Man]

I wish we had a genuine Reagan-conservative running for office.

[Nathan Poe]

I wish we had a genuine Reagan-conservative running for office.

You think even Reagan could get the nomination from this GOP?

Ronald Reagan, 1985 speech

We’re going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that allow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share. In theory, some of those loopholes were understandable, but in practice they sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying ten percent of his salary, and that’s crazy. [...] Do you think the millionaire ought to pay more in taxes than the bus driver or less?

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Funny; Obama gets ripped as an ebil socialist promoting class warfare when he says stuff like this -- truth is, he's just unoriginal.

[Pilgrim]

You think even Reagan could get the nomination from this GOP?

Ronald Reagan, 1985 speech

We’re going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that allow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share. In theory, some of those loopholes were understandable, but in practice they sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying ten percent of his salary, and that’s crazy. [...] Do you think the millionaire ought to pay more in taxes than the bus driver or less?

© source where applicable

Funny; Obama gets ripped as an ebil socialist promoting class warfare when he says stuff like this -- truth is, he's just unoriginal.

Don't mess with the myth, Nathan. People want to remember things the way they want to remember them even if the memory doesn't reflect the reality.

[Challenger Grim]

Don't mess with the myth, Nathan. People want to remember things the way they want to remember them even if the memory doesn't reflect the reality.

Wait a sec....

The elections for Reagan were 1980 and 1984. The speech quoted is from 1985 (which means, post election, 2nd term).

Seems a little dubious to compare the entirety of a historical president as "running for Republican office" when to be fair, if things were to play out again, we'd either have A) Reagen's governorship of CA and campaign to judge - or just his first term.

That would be like saying "Oh Woodrow Wilson would never be nominated by today's Democrats - he got us into World War 1."

No election has a complete picture of what the administration will entail. They are all ultimately about blind hopes.

[Pilgrim]

See what I mean, Nathan?

[Challenger Grim]

See what I mean, Nathan?

1985 Reagen couldn't be nominated by the republican party today no matter how much he was loved or hated (thanks to the 22nd amendment).

[Pilgrim]

You're missing the point. The conservative myth is that Reagan is just like the uber conservatives today. He never was.

[Nathan Poe]

You're missing the point. The conservative myth is that Reagan is just like the uber conservatives today. He never was.

Indeed -- Reagan's only seen as some sort of conservative hero when compared to the duds who've carried the Republican banner since him; truth is, the GOP has gone so far to the right (and arguably off the deep end) that even their patron saint would be labeled a RINO and kicked to the curb.

And that's a best case scenario -- assuming they don't have any tar and feathers handy.

[JimL]

Wait a sec....

The elections for Reagan were 1980 and 1984. The speech quoted is from 1985 (which means, post election, 2nd term).

Seems a little dubious to compare the entirety of a historical president as "running for Republican office" when to be fair, if things were to play out again, we'd either have A) Reagen's governorship of CA and campaign to judge - or just his first term.

That would be like saying "Oh Woodrow Wilson would never be nominated by today's Democrats - he got us into World War 1."

No election has a complete picture of what the administration will entail. They are all ultimately about blind hopes.

Reagan raised taxes 11 times and tripled the deficit, he also increased government spending enormously, yeah, he was a big government guy. He did the same thing as Governor.

[Mountain Man]

You think even Reagan could get the nomination from this GOP?

Ronald Reagan, 1985 speech

We’re going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that allow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share. In theory, some of those loopholes were understandable, but in practice they sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying ten percent of his salary, and that’s crazy. [...] Do you think the millionaire ought to pay more in taxes than the bus driver or less?

© source where applicable

Funny; Obama gets ripped as an ebil socialist promoting class warfare when he says stuff like this -- truth is, he's just unoriginal.

I'm considering Reagan's entire record and not just isolated statements. But since you brought it up, the difference with Obama is that he has made class warfare a prominent theme and central part of his strategy for pretty much his entire political career.

[Nathan Poe]

I'm considering Reagan's entire record and not just isolated statements.

if only that was how campaigns worked -- one gaffe can sink you. You better believe that we haven't begun to hear the fallout of Romney's "I don't care about the poor" remark.

[Challenger Grim]

You're missing the point. The conservative myth is that Reagan is just like the uber conservatives today. He never was.

"Just like"? Since when has any conservative pushed that idea? No person is a perfect candidate except yourself. Elections are (supposed to) be about picking a candidate close to your beliefs with flaws and deviations one can live with.

if only that was how campaigns worked -- one gaffe can sink you. You better believe that we haven't begun to hear the fallout of Romney's "I don't care about the poor" remark.

Yeah, it also really annoys me how the MSM does that to Republicans.

Indeed -- Reagan's only seen as some sort of conservative hero when compared to the duds who've carried the Republican banner since him; truth is, the GOP has gone so far to the right (and arguably off the deep end) that even their patron saint would be labeled a RINO and kicked to the curb.

And that's a best case scenario -- assuming they don't have any tar and feathers handy.

Why bother, you people are more invested in your caricatures than dealing with what people actually believe. Enjoy your fantasy world.

[Jaecp]

"Just like"? Since when has any conservative pushed that idea? No person is a perfect candidate except yourself. Elections are (supposed to) be about picking a candidate close to your beliefs with flaws and deviations one can live with.

That isn't the vibe you get from the modern Republicans though. Reagan is held up as some sort of conservative ideal. Remember that early presidential debate thing where all the 6 or 7 candidates were asked for their favorite president? They all said reagan. Some of them listed his book.

Why would people like Eric Canton claim he never raised taxes source if not for wanting to ignore the times Reagan didn't act like a modern conservative

Yeah, it also really annoys me how the MSM does that to Republicans.

The Republican's have been violating the 11th commandment for awhile now and, you know, the poor vote. Politicians are so in control of what they do publically, generally speaking, that gaffe's are percieved as being a window into that stuff that we suspect, but doesn't come out. Then when it does come out we're like "Ahh, this makes so much sense now" and you want people to just ignore that?

Why bother, you people are more invested in your caricatures than dealing with what people actually believe. Enjoy your fantasy world.

The only caricature is viewing Reagan through rose colored glasses.