Defining Total Depravity - Ephesians 4

[FarEastBird]

So YOU say...

The Truth is that what you are missing in this private interpretation of yours is this:
The ACTUAL MEANING of the text is not human repentance, by God's...
The gifts and the calling of God are without GOD's repentance...

An astonishing error on your part...

Re-read the text of Roman's 11...

Arsenios

Unbelievable fooly! Don't you even realize how you are making nonsense in rendering it your way? Read it in context!

Paul was clearly calling the Israelites elect in spite of there IGNORANCE/BLINDNESS, which is an OBVIOUS sign that they were NOT REPENTING. He even called them ENEMIES of the gospel!

In the name of God, please beware of your self confidence. I know you love God, but check yourself if you are indeed making sense.

FEB

[Phat8594]

Christ, when he came, completely eradicated the law, so what true Judaism are you talking about?

Seems you have made the same mistake as the jews who missed the Messiah. Judaism (in its true form) isn't about the law...its about faith in the author and creator of life. YHWH.

The "faith" and being "new creature" that we preach has nothing to do with Judaism(circumcision) or Gentile-ism(uncircumcision).

You got yourself a different gospel, it seems.

Again, you are making the same mistake as the Jews who rejected Christ....you conflate Judaism with the works the law, the works of the flesh, etc. Its always been about faith...from the OT, to the NT.

Paul completely dismisses such a ridiculous notion throughout Romans.

[Rdr. Arsenios]

Unbelievable fooly! Don't you even realize how you are making nonsense in rendering it your way? Read it in context!

Paul was clearly calling the Israelites elect in spite of there IGNORANCE/BLINDNESS, which is an OBVIOUS sign that they were NOT REPENTING. He even called them ENEMIES of the gospel!

In the name of God, please beware of your self confidence. I know you love God, but check yourself if you are indeed making sense.

FEB

This is my last to you, FEB...

Here is the context:

Rom 11:26-29
And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written:

"There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer,
and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins."

As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes:
but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

What the last two lines say is that
BECAUSE the gifts and calling of God are without repentance,
And because God called and gifted them\ Israelites.
the Israelites are beloved for the sakes of the fathers...

And this in order that ALL Israel shall be saved...
Even though for now, they are enemies of the Gospel for the sakes of the Gentiles...

You just need to calm down and read the text, and stop focusing on the people who disagree with you...
The text is very clear here in this matter -

God made a promise to Israel when He called and gifted them...
God does not repent from His calling and His gifts...
Therefore all Israel shall be saved...

God Bless you on your way...

Farewell, my friend...

Arsenios

[FarEastBird]

This is my last to you, FEB...

Here is the context:

Rom 11:26-29
And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written:

"There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer,
and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins."

As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes:
but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

What the last two lines say is that
BECAUSE the gifts and calling of God are without repentance,
And because God called and gifted them\ Israelites.
the Israelites are beloved for the sakes of the fathers...

And this in order that ALL Israel shall be saved...
Even though for now, they are enemies of the Gospel for the sakes of the Gentiles...

You just need to calm down and read the text, and stop focusing on the people who disagree with you...
The text is very clear here in this matter -

God made a promise to Israel when He called and gifted them...
God does not repent from His calling and His gifts...
Therefore all Israel shall be saved...

God Bless you on your way...

Farewell, my friend...

Arsenios

Thank you for your good heart.


But I would like you to really delve deep into these things I'll say. Remember that you are requiring works in your faith? Well, here, in the chapter we are discussing, you see that some of the Jews are ignorant and are even enemies of the gospel, can you notice that your faith that you speak of is not applicable to these Jews. See, they do not have it! But how were they saved without the faith you were speaking of? Would you admit that you have failed to understand the true faith that saves?

Indeed, no need to respond, but I hope, with a good heart, you will take consideration of this thing.


God Bless,
FEB