March 2012 Screwballs

[ApologiaPhoenix]

So I'm debating for Ratio Christi now also and screwball to this comment that was made concerning Aquinas's first way:

The argument might be able to continue as an inductive argument, but it fails on this point as a logically sound argument. Simply because all the evidence is for X, does not mean that ~X is impossible.

To demonstrate that there can NOT be uncaused events, we would need to have on hand a state of uncaused events, and witness a cause fail to happen. That's absurd of course, and so it's not something we can test.

So that every event in the history of the universe has had a cause is not enough evidence to show that change requires a cause. Meanwhile, I'm supposedly the one who believes something without evidence.

[jpholding]

However I have just discovered that you can only click on that box if it's your channel. Someone visiting your channel has no way of getting to that block page, at least not as far as I can see.

Noticed that too when I had a different account signed on.

Also noted another stinky -- they want to limit your channel description to 1000 characters. If I try to change mine they'll enforce that. For now it seems to be grandfathered in.

[ukchristian28]

Noticed that too when I had a different account signed on.

Also noted another stinky -- they want to limit your channel description to 1000 characters. If I try to change mine they'll enforce that. For now it seems to be grandfathered in.

Mine got changed back to what I used to have written before I updated it. That was annoying.

[Rational Gaze]

At the moment there is no "Delete" function.

There is now. Although when you refresh it loads in past comments.

[jpholding]

Screwball to a nutter named Robert Sarmast, for reasons I explain here:

http://youtu.be/YHCI65d9bXQ

[Sir-Think-A-Lot]

This entire thread over at gamefaqs religious boards:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/263-religion/62122596

To sumarize: the guy who started this topic(goes by the name of fingerpuppet) thinks 1 Kings 7:23 says pi=3. 100 posts and at least 6 plausible explanations later and he still refuses to admit this might be a mistaken reading of the verse. A few select quotes:

According to the bible, the constant "pi" is equal to three (I will find the exact verse if asked). However, we know that it is an irrational number.

Mathematics is the language of the universe and to contradict it is to be wrong...for a creator to contradict the very thing that is is a bit troublesome.

No, I didn't. I asked a question that I saw as I was reading "The Joy of Pi" and began to wonder myself that why god, if he were omnipotent, got this wrong. You can say that it's just ".14" (it's actually goes much further than that), but "just .14" can collapose a building.

If you don't know the importance of pi I suggest you pick up any textbook on modern math and you'll quickly see how big of an issue it is. Ask any mathematician: a few decimal places off will make any calculation wrong. The universe is able to be described by mathematics- if god got pi wrong, how can he be omnipotent? How can the universe exist?

After I ask about what the Hebrew or Greek wording of the verse:

There is also no possibility that it was oval.

it was round all about

An oval is not round all about. If you wish to dispute this let me know and I'll root around for the official definition of an oval and a circle and their differences (not intending to be condescending here, if that's how my post sounds.)

You do realize that neither you nor I read Hebrew, right? You do realize that the translation is accurate, right?

I agree that you have to round pi, but the question is why would God do it so inaccurately? You have to understand that rounding with such large units would throw the calculation way off. You cannot simply say "They just rounded it, it's close enough" because no, it is not close enough. It was way off from the true value.

You can disagree, but you won't after you realize that skyscrapers don't fall down simply because of the accuracy of pi.

[wildrow12]

This entire thread over at gamefaqs religious boards:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/263-religion/62122596

To sumarize: the guy who started this topic(goes by the name of fingerpuppet) thinks 1 Kings 7:23 says pi=3. 100 posts and at least 6 plausible explanations later and he still refuses to admit this might be a mistaken reading of the verse. A few select quotes:





After I ask about what the Hebrew or Greek wording of the verse:

What the.....

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[Sir-Think-A-Lot]

Pretty much my reaction. Although to be fair, this IS gamefaqs we are talking about....

[Cerebrum123]

I have to mention a gamer friend of mine's comment ,on whether ot not the Bible was historically valid. He basically said that he knows that the stuff in the Bible is mostly made up ,and that an ex-boss of his who was a Buddhist even admitted that. I said why would you take a Buddhist's opinion on the claims of the Bible (note this Buddhist was no scholar ,and had no real research into the Bible). I said that he should probably be considering the opinions of scholars in the fields of Biblical studies.
I also met a guy once who said that George Bernard Shaw was a great atheist thinker ,and put him on par with people like Albert Einstein(wasn't Einstein closer to a deist anyway?) ,and Isaac Newton (he couldn't believe that anyone as smart as Isaac Newton could possibly have been a real Christian). Apparently he didn't know about some of the absolutely horrible things that George Bernard Shaw was into(eugenics basically ,perhaps a few other nutty things).

[Rational Gaze]

A friend of mine today, who is a BA Theology graduate, and is training to become an Anglican priest said today that philosophy was "word games and semantics."

[MWM958]

Now I know Loftus linked to this, but I have to say, the author of this makes some very good points.

EDIT: Ugh, has bad words in it. Just click the link on Loftus's blog from the post about a "secular translation of the bible"

[Teluog]

This entire thread over at gamefaqs religious boards:

One of the dumbest things I ever read.

[Hamster]

That's strange because GameFAQs usually attracts educated, thoughtful members of society

[Cerebrum123]

Just read this from a Muslim poster commenting in response to someone supporting the Bible.
written by rzq , March 03, 2012
1. Transmission pastor??
Nobody knows who wrote the Gospels, when they were written or where they were written. This historical vacuum is filled by scholars' hypotheses. It may of well have been John, Paul, ringo and George! See ref below:
Barnett, Paul W. (1997). Jesus and the Logic of History (New Studies in Biblical Theology 3). Downers Grove, Illinois: InterVarsity Press. ISBN 0-385-49449-1.
No contradictions? Are you having a laugh? not everything contained in the gospels is considered to be historically reliable see below:
Gerhardsson, Birger (2001). The Reliability of the Gospel Tradition. Peabody, Ma: Hendrickson. ISBN 1-56563-667-8.
Grant, Michael. Jesus: A Historian's Review of the Gospels. Scribner's, 1977. ISBN 0-684-14889-7.
Meier, John P., A Marginal Jew: Rethinking the Historical Jesus, Doubleday,

Pastor your pro Christian lying website by that bigot Sam shamoun doesn't cut it I'm afraid! Your 1st point is clealy a lie!

This guy goes by rzq ,and has no idea what he's talking about ,but I think that most people here reading this post would realize that.

[Sir-Think-A-Lot]

One of the dumbest things I ever read.

Hence the reason I re-posted it here.

That's strange because GameFAQs usually attracts educated, thoughtful members of society

I'm just going to assume that is sarcasm....