Springer gets suckered by creationist pseudoscience

[Tiggy]

(2) It WAS held at Cornell University.
(3) It WAS during those dates : 31 May - 2 June 2011.

No Jorge, it wasn't. It was held in a publicly available rental space physically co-located with the Cornell campus, but it wasn't held AT Cornell University.

SO, SINCE EVERYTHING IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE, where does the slimeball a.k.a. Tiggy derive his "intellectual dishonesty" accusation???

From your actions in misrepresenting Cornell as the sponsor of the event.

- T

[Tiggy]

BTW Jorge, you're now famous!

Dr. Wes Elsberry who runs the Panda's Thumb blog After The Bar Closes has started a collection of slimy creationist denials and backtracking over their Springer fiasco.

Guess who was mentioned in the very first post?

Wesley R. Elsberry: Over on TheologyWeb, "Jorge" had posted a bit of information about conference. He had requested that the moderators delete his thread, which they did. Then "Tiggy" posted a copy of "Jorge"'s post. "Jorge" has requested that that be taken down. I'll post it here, just in case TheologyWeb is inclined to remove it.

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They're also discussing your work with Gitt and your fake PhD over there.

You must be so proud!

- T

[Jorge]

No Jorge, it wasn't. It was held in a publicly available rental space physically co-located with the Cornell campus, but it wasn't held AT Cornell University.



From your actions in misrepresenting Cornell as the sponsor of the event.

- T

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Like a rabid dog, you ought to be 'put down'.

Jorge

[Tiggy]

Like a rabid dog, you ought to be 'put down'.

Jorge

And we all shouldn't have to keep wiping the Jorge off the bottom of our shoe.

- T

[Jorge]

Jorge; thanks for keeping me posted on the status of the papers to be published.
Not withstanding all of the ensuing drama, I hope that your publications will be made
available outside the book . . . I can't justify the $144-$180 cost of just about any
book, let alone one pursuant of creationist claims.

Sincerely, though, thanks for keeping me updated.

—Sam

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I keep my promises - or at least try my best to do so.

Your remark above, "... let alone one pursuant of creationist claims" is asinine.

You swallow Atheist claims of Evolution, gigayears and other anti-scriptural claims
with little to no problems. At this Symposium were presented numerous solid-
science papers showing that Materialistic views of information - particularly as these
relate to biology - are not even wrong (that would be too kind). How do you respond?
"... pursuant to creationist claims". I'm sad to say that people like you are not only
ignorant, but you appear destined to remain that way. I have an entire section of
my home library containing books from NON-Biblical Creationists, including Atheists.
I've spent thousands of dollars collecting those books, magazines, journals, etc.
That's because I want to LEARN the other POVs so that I know what I'm talking about.
Like I said, your remark was asinine.

As for future updates, you can get them from Panda's Thumb or from Tiggy.
You seem to have much more in common with them than you do with me.

Jorge

[Ansgar Seraph]

Jorge, it's pretty futile to argue that the product's marketers were not trying to name-drop Cornell. So whether the intention was to explicitly imply a Cornell sponsorship or merely to gain a bit of recognition by including the name, the people running this show clearly intended to benefit from associating with the Cornell name (The "Darwin Was Wrong" conference, which included many of the same people, in contrast, barely mentioned the venue in their marketing material).

"At Cornell" means something other than "in a rented conference room at Cornell" to virtually everyone. It's highly unlikely that this fact simply escaped the editors of this here book. At best, it was a statement that caused a large misunderstanding — so the appropriate measure would be for the editors to admit a "mea culpa," bend over backwards to explain that Cornell wasn't sponsoring the conference and move on. Doubling-down on the phrasing the editors used is a losing (already lost?) battle.

If I were to tell people that I played Hamlet at the Julliard School of the Arts, that means something much different than "I rented a stage at Julliard for an hour to recite Shakespeare."

—Sam

[Ansgar Seraph]

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I keep my promises - or at least try my best to do so.

Your remark above, "... let alone one pursuant of creationist claims" is asinine.

You swallow Atheist claims of Evolution, gigayears and other anti-scriptural claims
with little to no problems. At this Symposium were presented numerous solid-
science papers showing that Materialistic views of information - particularly as these
relate to biology - are not even wrong (that would be too kind). How do you respond?
"... pursuant to creationist claims". I'm sad to say that people like you are not only
ignorant, but you appear destined to remain that way. I have an entire section of
my home library containing books from NON-Biblical Creationists, including Atheists.
I've spent thousands of dollars collecting those books, magazines, journals, etc.
That's because I want to LEARN the other POVs so that I know what I'm talking about.
Like I said, your remark was asinine.

As for future updates, you can get them from Panda's Thumb or from Tiggy.
You seem to have much more in common with them than you do with me.

Jorge

Jorge, if you had put any decent effort into the defending the claims contained in the books I've already purchased at your urging, my attitude might be different. I've got one of your books right here on the shelf and attempted to earnestly engage you on the claims made therein. Unfortunately, you've proved to be incapable and increasingly unwilling to actually defend creationist claims. And so you have added to, rather than mitigated, my already strong opinion that creationism, in the form you advocate, is intellectually bereft.

So when you have another book that you want people to purchase, I'm not going to be willing to easily part with my limited funds. You want to make the case that "materialistic views of information . . . are not even wrong"? Great: do it here: cite your sources from the book, since I'm sure that you'll get yourself a free copy.

But don't expect anyone on this board to continue providing you any sort of benefit of the doubt. In the four years I've been on this board, you have shown an absolute revulsion to dedicated and earnest scientific debate. My comment was justified, in part, by your behavior.

—Sam

[Jorge]

Jorge, it's pretty futile to argue that the product's marketers were not trying to name-drop Cornell. So whether the intention was to explicitly imply a Cornell sponsorship or merely to gain a bit of recognition by including the name, the people running this show clearly intended to benefit from associating with the Cornell name (The "Darwin Was Wrong" conference, which included many of the same people, in contrast, barely mentioned the venue in their marketing material).

"At Cornell" means something other than "in a rented conference room at Cornell" to virtually everyone. It's highly unlikely that this fact simply escaped the editors of this here book. At best, it was a statement that caused a large misunderstanding — so the appropriate measure would be for the editors to admit a "mea culpa," bend over backwards to explain that Cornell wasn't sponsoring the conference and move on. Doubling-down on the phrasing the editors used is a losing (already lost?) battle.

If I were to tell people that I played Hamlet at the Julliard School of the Arts, that means something much different than "I rented a stage at Julliard for an hour to recite Shakespeare."

—Sam

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Honestly, it's hard to imagine* how you people manage to sleep at night with the things you say.

This applies to you, Tiggy, O-Mudd, Terror, R06, and a host of others here at TWeb. It's mind-boggling!!!

This event was held AT Cornell University - period. Choke on it if you must but that
is what happened and that was the way it was reported. What you people suggest is ludicrous,
lunacy and falling-drunk stooooopid. "DISCLAIMER : The conference will be held at Cornell University
but it's not 'really' at Cornell University. This is because even though the facilities are on the campus
grounds, belong to Cornell, and the service staff all work for Cornell University, the Big Wigs at
Cornell do not agree with anything against Evolution. Therefore, though this conference is at
Cornell University, it's "not really" at Cornell University. Did everybody get that?"


*Come to think of it, it isn't that hard to imagine at all. The more that people spend time promoting
falsehoods, the easier it becomes for those people to not lose any sleep by any falsehood.
Ergo, you people probably sleep like the proverbial baby after a nice bath and warm milk.

Jorge

[Tiggy]

This event was held AT Cornell University - period.

No sense repeating this deliberate misrepresentation Jorge. The dishonesty of you and the IDC pushers has already been exposed. The conference was held AT Ithaca N.Y. in rented space on the Cornell campus. It had nothing to do with the UNIVERSITY itself.

It would be like you bragging "I played football at Michigan State University" when in fact all you did was throw a Nerf football around the parking lot with your buddies.

It's deliberately misleading and amazingly dishonest.

Of course, this claim "it was AT Cornell University" is also coming from the guy who bought an online phony PhD just to give his YEC claims an air of legitimacy. It's always about the dishonest appearance with Creationists, and never about the substance.

- T

[Ansgar Seraph]

"The conference was held on the grounds of Cornell University" would have been just descriptive enough to make people question whether the event was sponsored by Cornell or not. Of course, since the location had absolutely nothing to do with the conference, there was no need to mention the venue at all. To this day, one can scour the official page of the "Darwin Was Wrong" conference and find no mention of where the conference was held. So why is one of these things not like the other? Because one was held in a church, the other on Cornell grounds. One has a big name that conveys scientific respectability, the other doesn't.

—Sam

[rogue06]

You swallow Atheist claims of Evolution, gigayears and other anti-scriptural claims
with little to no problems.

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They are about as "atheist" as the claim that the Earth is not immobile but revolves around the Sun and not vice versa

You have absolutely no problem agreeing with the most militant of atheists like Dawkins when it suits your purpose declaring that you'd "agree with the Devil himself IF what he said was true" but quickly condemn anyone else for agreeing when they think an atheist is right.

Hypocrisy thy name is Jorge

[lilpixieofterror]

You swallow Atheist claims of Evolution, gigayears and other anti-scriptural claims
with little to no problems. At this Symposium were presented numerous solid-
science papers showing that Materialistic views of information - particularly as these
relate to biology - are not even wrong (that would be too kind). How do you respond?
"... pursuant to creationist claims". I'm sad to say that people like you are not only
ignorant, but you appear destined to remain that way. I have an entire section of
my home library containing books from NON-Biblical Creationists, including Atheists.
I've spent thousands of dollars collecting those books, magazines, journals, etc.
That's because I want to LEARN the other POVs so that I know what I'm talking about.
Like I said, your remark was asinine.

This is willful ignorance Jorge because I know that many people have presented evidence that shows what you said above isn’t true, but despite that, you keep repeating these same tired assertions, without every dealing with the issues brought forth. I know I have personally explained to you the idea that the earth and universe is old comes from several different fields of scientific knowledge, all of which are independently verified that continue to point to an older earth and universe. You have not dealt with this argument, but ignored it. I know I have also personally pointed out to you that materialism and what I hold to is two different things for materialism is the idea that what is material, is all that exist. This is an idea I outright reject and instead I tend to accept the idea that natural events, tend to have natural causes, which isn’t materialism since I do not outright reject anything that isn’t material as not existing. You again, ignore this and just preach your same nonsense without ever addressing any of that. I know that Sam, Jim, and Rogue have most likely done the same things too and explained, with quite a bit of detail, why your strawmen of TE’s is false. Yet, you willfully ignore this and just repeat your assertions elsewhere, without ever acknowledging that your assertions were answered. Taking this into mind, no Jorge, that is false, you do not want to learn anybody else’s POV that much is obvious, you just want to pretend you do, but yet when you are answered, you run to another thread to repeat you refuted garbage elsewhere. That is not the sign of a person wanting to learn another person's POV, but rather somebody that has already made up their mind about what they think their POV is and just goes off from their belief, instead of reality.

[Viktor Scott]

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[Viktor Scott]

But there was something far worse, far sadder. Many of the people there had to state that they were “undercover” – we could not post pictures/videos on public sites for fear of reprisals. One of the attendees (name withheld here, of course), is presently involved in legal actions for being fired from his/her job (I’m concealing even the gender of said individual) from a US National Laboratory. Why was s(he) fired? For promoting ID on his/her time and expense!!! Similar stories of thought-police actions were repeated by several individuals at this conference - it was SICKENING!!

Poor Coppedge - fired for proselytizing to those that he supervised. What an idiot.

Haven't heard much about that lawsuit....

Coppedge is a major buffoon - thinks that "maximum likelihood" is a value and that heuristic searches are "guesses."

He should have been fired for being an idiot.

[Viktor Scott]

Yet you are the one who is claiming it was sponsored by Cornell.
That makes you a crank in your own, and others' minds.

Magellan

What then, do you suppose this phrase is intended to mean:

" Invited lecture presented at the Cornell University, Symposium on Biological Information: "