Driven out of the garden

[sylvius]

The driving out of the garden of Eden of Adam was motivated by:

"Lest he stretch forth his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat and live forever" (Genesis 3:22)

Which is rather strange, since before eating from the tree of knowledge Adam was already immortal and lived already forever, seemingly without eating from the tree of life, for else the word "also" (Hebrew "gam") wouldn't have had no use here.

So now the fruit of the tree of life seems to be kind of medicine, even the antidote of the fruit of the tree of knowledge.

The driving out of paradise seeming to be the same as the forthwith impossibillity to stretch forth the hand, i.e. suffer from disability (like Sisyfus)

I do think Mark 3:1-6, "The man with the withered hand" is about this, since LXX Genesis 3:22 has:
καὶ νῦν μήποτε ἐκτείνῃ τὴν χεῖρα καὶ λάβῃ τοῦ ξύλου τῆς ζωῆς καὶ φάγῃ καὶ ζήσεται εἰς τὸν αἰῶνα
(it omits "gam"!)

while Mark 3:5 has:
Ἔκτεινον τὴν χεῖρα. καὶ ἐξέτεινεν, καὶ ἀπεκατεστάθη ἡ χεὶρ αὐτοῦ
"Stretch out your hand, and he stretched out and his hand was restored to its former state"

There is more to it.

[sylvius]

Hebrew "yad", hand, is also the name of the tenth letter of Hebrew alphabet "yud".

So the hand as principle of decimal counting seems to be also the principle of the Hebrew alphabet.

In the Ashuri script every letter begins with a waterdrop-shaped "yud".

Ashuri script seeming to be the original script, script with which the tablets of stone were inscribed, and also the script of "the writing on the wall".

See the-writing-on-the-wall

The outstretched hand clearly shows "five" as "one and four", thumb and four fingers.

"1-4" the properties of "ed", the mist of Genesis 2:6.

1:4 the ratio of the two trees, "ets hachayim" 233 and "ets hadaat tov vara" 932

"One and four", the one river that flowed out of Eden and from there seperated to become four heads.

[Pilgrim]

I guess I always took it that in taking from the tree of knowledge Adam and Eve lost immortality. So the admonition not to let them take from the tree of life made sense.

[sylvius]

I guess I always took it that in taking from the tree of knowledge Adam and Eve lost immortality.

That was just my point.
They were already immortal before eating from the tree of knowledge.

So the admonition not to let them take from the tree of life made sense.

The fruit of the tree of life being medicine against mortality.

[Pilgrim]

I guess I don't see the conflict here. They eat from the tree of knowledge and become mortal. God says they must be moved so they can't take from the tree of life also and become immortal again (having lost mortality when the disobeyed God by eating of the tree of knowledge).

[sylvius]

I guess I don't see the conflict here. They eat from the tree of knowledge and become mortal. God says they must be moved so they can't take from the tree of life also and become immortal again (having lost mortality when the disobeyed God by eating of the tree of knowledge).

They were not immortal because of eating from the tree of life.

They became mortal because of eating from the tree of knowledge.

To become immortal again they needed to eat the fruit of the tree of life.

The way to the tree of life is not closed, but guarded, secured, by the cherubim and the flame of the revolving sword,

to the east of the garden --

which places the garden in the west , i.e. in the future, where, to certain Jewish tradition, stands the angel Raphael, "It is God who heals",

"Flame of the revolving sword" , Hebrew "lahat hacherev hamithapechet"

"hamithapechet", root "hafach" from which also "machpechah"= revolution.

It needs a revolution in your thinking.

[sylvius]

The clue must lie in the fact that there is no time between the creation of man and him being placed in the garden of Eden.


Genesis 2:5-8 etc. playing in one single moment of time:

v.5 Now no tree of the field was yet on the earth
v.6 And a mist ascended from the earth
v.7 And the Lord God formed man
v.8 And the Lord God planted a garden in Eden from the east, and He placed there the man whom He had formed

etc.

This all happening on the sixth day of creation.
The sixth and the seventh forming one day bound together by the the Tetragrammaton that is present in the initial letters of the last two words of Genesis 1:31 and of the first two words of Genesis 2:1 , "yom hashishi vay'chulu hashamayim".

Jewish tradition knows that the sun didn't go down at the end of the sixth day, but shone for 36 hours, 12 hours on the sixth and 24 on the seventh.

By eating from the tree of knowledge Adam removed as it were the letter "hey" from "hashishi" -- thus breaking the unity.

Value of "hey" is 5, gematria of "ed", "1-4", of Genesis 2:6.

Being left with just "yom shishi", gematria of which is 666.

[Pilgrim]

They were not immortal because of eating from the tree of life.

I didn't say they were.

They became mortal because of eating from the tree of knowledge.

That's exactly what I said.

To become immortal again they needed to eat the fruit of the tree of life.

Again, That's exactly what I said.

[quote]The way to the tree of life is not closed, but guarded, secured, by the cherubim and the flame of the revolving sword,

to the east of the garden --

which places the garden in the west , i.e. in the future, where, to certain Jewish tradition, stands the angel Raphael, "It is God who heals",

That does not logically follow. The only geographical information you can gleam from a statement about the cherubim being east of the Garden is about the placement of the cherubim in relation to the garden itself. There is no information there that describes the location of the Garden. for example. I am sitting to the west of my yard. That doesn't mean I'm in the east. Actually I'm on the west coast, it's just that in relation to my back yard I'm a little west of it.

"Flame of the revolving sword" , Hebrew "lahat hacherev hamithapechet"

"hamithapechet", root "hafach" from which also "machpechah"= revolution.

It needs a revolution in your thinking.

I'm not trying to be rude but you're just not making much sense.

[sylvius]

. The only geographical information you can gleam from a statement about the cherubim being east of the Garden is about the placement of the cherubim in relation to the garden itself. There is no information there that describes the location of the Garden. for example. I am sitting to the west of my yard. That doesn't mean I'm in the east. Actually I'm on the west coast, it's just that in relation to my back yard I'm a little west of it.

The way to the tree of life, "derech ets hachayim", is a way that leads from the east to the west, like also the way into the temple.

[sylvius]

The way to the tree of life, "derech ets hachayim", is a way that leads from the east to the west, like also the way into the temple.

Rashi on Job 23:8,
http://www.chabad.org/library/bible_...showrashi/true

The east is the front of the world (קדמה), the west is found to be the back of the world (אחור)

Which means that for the driven out Adam (for those who are in the world) the garden lies behind the world.

Remarkable:
When you turn to the west the north is at your right hand.
But when you turn around (make "t'shuvah") the north is at your left hand, and the south is at your right.
Hebrew "yamin" means both south and right hand.

I think this might be the meaning of Psalms 110:1,

Of David a psalm. The word of the Lord to my master; "Sit at My right hand, until I make your enemies a footstool at your feet."

And also of Isaiah 40:3,
A voice calls, "In the desert, clear the way of the Lord, straighten out in the wilderness, a highway for our God."

since "clear the way' is Hebrew פַּנּוּ דֶּרֶךְ , "pannu derech" .

"pannu" is from root "panah" = to turn.

From same root "pinnah" = corner
we know from "rosh pinnah" = the cornerstone rejected by the builders .