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March 28th 2012, 07:44 PM #481
Re: "You believe in a magical sky daddy and a Jewish Zombie"
Note also that these verses are only included within double brackets, which indicates "early insertions in the textual tradition", and this decision to enclose within brackets is given a C level of confidence.
Bruce Metzger in his Textual Commentary, speaking on behalf of the eitorial committee (also Kurt Aland, Matthew Black, [later Cardinal] Carlo Martini, Allen Wikgren) explains their reasoning:
"The absence of these verses in such ancient and widely diversified witnesses as [see above +] p69vid W syr.a cop.sa.bo arm.mss geo Marcion Clement Origin al, as well as their being marked with asterisks or obeli (signifying spuriousness) in other witnesses ... and their transferral to Matthew's gospel (after 26.39) by family 13 and several lectionaries ... strongly suggests that they are no part of the original text of Luke. Their presence in many manusripts, some ancient, as well as their citation by Justin, Irenaeus, etc, ..., is proof of the antiquity of the account. On grounds of transcriptional probability it is less likely that the verses were deleted in several different areas of the church by those who felt that the account of Jesus overwhelmed with human weakness was inconpatible with his sharing the divine omnipotence of the Father, than that they would be added from an early source, than that they were added from an early source, oral or written, of extra-canonical traitions concerning the life and passion of Jesus. Nevertheless, while acknowledging that the passage is a later addition to the text, in view of its evident antiquity and its importance in the textual tradition, a majority of the Committee decided to retain the words in the text but to enclose them within double square brackets."וְאָהַבְתָּ לְרֵעֲךָ כָּמוֹךָ אֲנִי יְהוָה
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Male - AtheistRe: "You believe in a magical sky daddy and a Jewish Zombie"
Just to clarify, I am not looking to follow El or cognates back to Babylon, but I am interested in following the roles and structures of the ANE myth repertoire back. For instance, and directly pertaining to this discussion, I just acquired The Old Enemy: Satan and the Combat Myth by Neil Forsyth which details the various adaptations of the combat theme from Sumer through Babylon, Ugarit and the Bible. Fabulous book (currently about 200 pages in). I'd rate this as an essential right after The Origins of Biblical Monotheism by Mark S. Smith.
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Male - AtheistRe: "You believe in a magical sky daddy and a Jewish Zombie"
Though this thread is dead, I have come across a very succinct description of Yawheh as the typical ANE storm god in an essay from F.W. Dobbs-Allsopp on page 36 of David and Zion: Biblical Studies in Honor of J.J. Roberts.
"That is, as a typical ancient Near Eastern storm god, the literary depiction of Yahweh's theophany customarily involves the dark clouds associated with thunderstorms (Exod 3:22; 13:21-22; 14:14; 19:9; 40:38; Lev 9:15,16; 14:14; Deut 1:33; 4:11; 5:4,5,22;1 Kgs 8:10, 11; Isa 4:5; Ps 78:14; 105:39). And as a warrior deity, Yahweh is frequently imagined as wrapped in clouds (2 Sam 22:12, 13; Ps 97:2; Lam 3:44) or riding upon them through the skies (2 Sam 22:11; Isa 19:1; Ps 68:5, 33; 104:3) or as otherwise associated with them (Judges 5:4). Indeed, the stunning vision that opens the book of Ezekiel portrays Yahweh's war chariot (which is en route to do battle against Jerusalem) as enshrouded with "a great storm cloud." Fittingly, then, Joel (2:2) and Zephaniah (1:15) refer to the Day of Yahweh as "a day of densest cloud (cf. Ezekiel 30:2), and Ezekiel (30:18) envisions it as a time when "the city shall be covered by a cloud." Thus, the image of Yahweh "beclouding" Jerusalem [in Lam 2] is especially well suited to the context. Not only are the clouds the harbinger of impending doom, but also they are the visible manifestation of the Divine Warrior's menacing presence."
The bible is the source for the storm imagery which in mocking has been equated to 'sky daddy' per the OP.
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