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March 26th 2012, 02:18 PM #31
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Male - ToonistRe: Ehrman's "Did Jesus Exist"
I think he was genuinely exasperated by having read so much mythicist literature. The place he says Doherty makes so many mistakes that it would take a book 3 times as long to correct him (2400 pages) is probably the best encapsulation of that.
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March 26th 2012, 02:52 PM #32
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Male - ChristianRe: Ehrman's "Did Jesus Exist"
It's been fun following this exchange between Carrier and McGrath.
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/explori...d-carrier.htmlCS Lewis, Mere ChristianityThere is no need to be worried by facetious people who try to make the Christian hope of 'Heaven' ridiculous by saying they do not want 'to spend eternity playing harps'. The answer to such people is that if they cannot understand books written for grown-ups, they should not talk about them.
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March 28th 2012, 03:34 PM #33
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Male - ChristianRe: Ehrman's "Did Jesus Exist"
Some don't like the appraisal you gave to Ehrman's book:
He's not impressed mainly because Ehrman is not a literalist and therefore has to be substantially wrong. He's also miffed that Ehrman mentions Carrier's book Not the Impossible Faith but doesn't mention the book by Holding that it was responding to.
Ehrman was right that his book is not going to be acceptable to the fundies at either end of the spectrum. If both Carrier and Holding think you're wrong you're probably about right. I'm almost halfway through the book and so far it's rather good.
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March 28th 2012, 05:09 PM #34
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Male - ToonistRe: Ehrman's "Did Jesus Exist"
O'Neill should know better. I'm not miffed, I simply found it curious, especially given that Ehrman uses TIF-like arguments about crucifixion. Why would I be miffed? Because I want TIF to get attention? Uh, it'll do that when people pick up Carrier's book because of Ehrman. Originally posted by Analytic Theist
And I'm not a strict literalist either. Who does he think he's talking about?
I think sankari might be Evangelion -- an ignorant Christadelphian I trashed some years back. Same avatar anyway.
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March 28th 2012, 05:21 PM #35
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Male - ChristianRe: Ehrman's "Did Jesus Exist"
Well, "sankari" is either the Finnish word for "hero", or (though I think it's less likely that it's referring to this) a town in India also called Sankagiri. So if Evangelion was Finnish or had some connections to Finland it might perhaps be the same guy? Originally posted by jpholding
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March 28th 2012, 05:44 PM #36
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This Sankari is an Australian.
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March 28th 2012, 11:17 PM #37
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What's a Christdelphian?
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'I know not,' said Húrin. 'Yet so it might be, if they willed. For the Elder King shall not be dethroned while Arda endures.'
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March 28th 2012, 11:20 PM #38
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Male - ChristianRe: Ehrman's "Did Jesus Exist"
That whole discussion is a bit off sides. JP's comparison between Ehrman's book and his own is perfectly valid. STCM is more detailed and shows a much greater familiarity with mythicism. For example, the Christ-myth goons are already whining that Ehrman didn't adequately address Doherty's list of silences, but the same can't be said of JP's book, of which close to half is dedicated Doherty's buffoonery. Originally posted by jpholding
O'Neill should know better. I'm not miffed, I simply found it curious, especially given that Ehrman uses TIF-like arguments about crucifixion. Why would I be miffed? Because I want TIF to get attention? Uh, it'll do that when people pick up Carrier's book because of Ehrman.
And I'm not a strict literalist either. Who does he think he's talking about?
I think sankari might be Evangelion -- an ignorant Christadelphian I trashed some years back. Same avatar anyway.
And it looks like somebody on Hannam's forum agrees.CS Lewis, Mere ChristianityThere is no need to be worried by facetious people who try to make the Christian hope of 'Heaven' ridiculous by saying they do not want 'to spend eternity playing harps'. The answer to such people is that if they cannot understand books written for grown-ups, they should not talk about them.
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March 28th 2012, 11:23 PM #39
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Male - ChristianRe: Ehrman's "Did Jesus Exist"
You don't want to know Originally posted by Manwë Súlimo
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March 28th 2012, 11:25 PM #40
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Male - ChristianRe: Ehrman's "Did Jesus Exist"
But I kinda do!
If I do a Google search, I won't come across something nasty, will I?
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'I know not,' said Húrin. 'Yet so it might be, if they willed. For the Elder King shall not be dethroned while Arda endures.'
The Words of Húrin and Morgoth, "The Children of Húrin" by J.R.R. Tolkien
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March 28th 2012, 11:40 PM #41
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Male - ChristianRe: Ehrman's "Did Jesus Exist"
I get them and the Swedenborgians confused.
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March 28th 2012, 11:42 PM #42
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Male - ChristianRe: Ehrman's "Did Jesus Exist"
Well, as an example, imagine the kind of mental gymastics you'd have to go through to take the bible literally while at the same time saying the New Testament doesn't teach the existence of demons, satan, or the soul Originally posted by Manwë Súlimo
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March 28th 2012, 11:44 PM #43
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Male - ChristianRe: Ehrman's "Did Jesus Exist"
Yeah, that's Evangelion. I think Fortigurn is around somewhere too (his brother) Originally posted by jpholding
O'Neill should know better. I'm not miffed, I simply found it curious, especially given that Ehrman uses TIF-like arguments about crucifixion. Why would I be miffed? Because I want TIF to get attention? Uh, it'll do that when people pick up Carrier's book because of Ehrman.
And I'm not a strict literalist either. Who does he think he's talking about?
I think sankari might be Evangelion -- an ignorant Christadelphian I trashed some years back. Same avatar anyway.Prolonged Trauma Damages the Parts of the Brain that Handle Language!
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March 29th 2012, 04:18 AM #44
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Male - ChristianRe: Ehrman's "Did Jesus Exist"
Yup, Fortigurn too is present there. I gave him Holding's article on the Trinity, to which he replied that he doesn't need to respond because Holding is outside of the mainstream.
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March 29th 2012, 11:10 AM #45
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Sounds like a kind of cheese. Originally posted by Manwë Súlimo
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