Would it really matter if LDS were in error . . .

[Bill the Cat]

And I'm not arguing, OC -- I actually agree that "covering" sins is an unusual expression. I was just pointing out the Biblical reference.

Romans 4:7
"BLESSED ARE THOSE WHOSE LAWLESS DEEDS HAVE BEEN FORGIVEN, AND WHOSE SINS HAVE BEEN COVERED.

[OtherCheek]

I have no idea what rabbit trail you are trying to lead me down. I've made my views clear and backed them up with the relevant scriptures. I'm not going to continue to dissect these comments. I'll summarize one last time, then I will not repeat it.

1) Adam sinned. This caused 2 things. A) His OWN spiritual separation from God and B) physical death which got passed to all mankind.

2) Everyone sins (as soon as they have the ability to do so - which fetuses and infants do not.) which results in their OWN spirtual death

3) Jesus atoned for sins that every individual did, which becomes effective in an individual's life when they express faith.

End of conversation, I guess.

[Cow Poke]

Romans 4:7
"BLESSED ARE THOSE WHOSE LAWLESS DEEDS HAVE BEEN FORGIVEN, AND WHOSE SINS HAVE BEEN COVERED.

Definitely a biblical principle -- I just liked "washed away". And I really like "as far as the East is from the West", and "remember their sin no more".

[OtherCheek]

Romans 4:7
"BLESSED ARE THOSE WHOSE LAWLESS DEEDS HAVE BEEN FORGIVEN, AND WHOSE SINS HAVE BEEN COVERED.

I just like the idea that to "cover" something means that something falls under the scope of... Rather than that "cover" means to conceal something.

i.e. "That situation is covered under section 1198 of the I.R.S. code"

[Cow Poke]

End of conversation, I guess.

Why is it when you say this it never is?


(I'm kidding, OC)

[Bill the Cat]

I just like the idea that to "cover" something means that something falls under the scope of... Rather than that "cover" means to conceal something.

i.e. "That situation is covered under section 1198 of the I.R.S. code"

G1943
ἐπικαλύπτω
epikaluptō
Thayer Definition:
1) to cover over


Quoted from Psalms 32:1

H3680
כּסה
kâsâh
BDB Definition:
1) to cover, conceal, hide
1a) (Qal) conceal, covered (participle)
1b) (Niphal) to be covered
1c) (Piel)
1c1) to cover, clothe
1c2) to cover, conceal
1c3) to cover (for protection)
1c4) to cover over, spread over
1c5) to cover, overwhelm
1d) (Pual)
1d1) to be covered
1d2) to be clothed
1e) (Hithpael) to cover oneself, clothe oneself

So, the Greek and Hebrew both imply that it is there, but hidden by something else.

Now, as we look at it, when we are glorified by Christ at the resurrection, it is THEN that the sins are removed completely, not just covered by the blood of Christ.

[Xru]

End of conversation, I guess.

OC this isn't the end of the conversation . . you know that, cp knows that, bil knows it, sparko, r06 and everyother twebber who ever Trolled LDS Forum knows it.

I want it to end but it won't . . . I'll enter into the KINGDOM reading the posts between cp and you fighting over some obscure meaning of the word "a" . . .

[OtherCheek]

OC this isn't the end of the conversation . . you know that, cp knows that, bil knows it, sparko, r06 and everyother twebber who ever Trolled LDS Forum knows it.

I want it to end but it won't . . . I'll enter into the KINGDOM reading the posts between cp and you fighting over some obscure meaning of the word "a" . . .

I meant that this particular conversation with Bill in this particular thread was over. But you are right, the conversation at large will only continue.

That is why I think that "argument" is a poor road to choose for trying to convert someone to your way of thinking or seeing.

[Cow Poke]

That is why I think that "argument" is a poor road to choose for trying to convert someone to your way of thinking or seeing.

I agree!

[Sparko]

I agree!

me too! I think using a baseball bat is much more effective than arguments at getting someone to change their minds!