Because JB wanted to know if I have challenged my faith...

[Cow Poke]

If it's all to promote a lie, then promoting a lie is the end goal.

But that does not NEGATE the fact that "Truth" was promoted in the process IN ORDER for the lie to work.

[One Bad Pig]

Like emancipation from slavery? Or like converting from Buddhism to Christianity? (I served a mission in Taiwan, I know what an obstacle traditions can be to getting people to consider a greater light than what they have always had.)

Not comparable. Wanna try again?

I'm gonna rearrange your order here a bit so I can deal with a few at once.

Nor can he save souls.

Moot. He desires the opposite of salvation. He cannot damn souls, but he can persuade people to damn themselves.

Nor can he promote the truth.

He can twist the truth, or mix in enough of the truth to make a lie believable.

Nor can he promote the cause of Christ. Nor can he persuade to believe in Christ. Nor can he advocate to follow Christ.

He can promote/persuade to believe in/advocate for another Christ, as Paul warns us about (2 Cor 11:14).

Nor can he be friends with God.

That's kind of obvious, given 'satan' means 'adversary.'

[Bill the Cat]

If it's all to promote a lie, then promoting a lie is the end goal.

But aren't you supposed to seek truth WHEREVER it can be found?

[OtherCheek]

But aren't you supposed to seek truth WHEREVER it can be found?

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We're talking about satan the father of lies. He does not promote the truth. His aim is to promote lies.

[One Bad Pig]

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We're talking about satan the father of lies. He does not promote the truth. His aim is to promote lies.

We're talking about satan who quoted scripture (which is generally regarded as the truth) when he tempted Christ. Satan is quite willing to use (or twist) the truth when it serves his ends.

[OtherCheek]

We're talking about satan who quoted scripture (which is generally regarded as the truth) when he tempted Christ. Satan is quite willing to use (or twist) the truth when it serves his ends.

If it's all to promote a lie, than even when satan speaks a truth, he actually has a lie in his heart, and he is lying. satan is called the father of lies for a reason, OBP. It's because he does not promote the truth, and there is a lie in his heart that he is promoting. Even if satan were to read me the bible himself, he would be lying. "Father of lies, he is."

Anyway, that's the way I see it and how I've been taught.

[Cow Poke]

If it's all to promote a lie, than even when satan speaks a truth, he actually has a lie in his heart, and he is lying.

The TRUE part is still TRUE --- Truth does not change based on the teller.

satan is called the father of lies for a reason, OBP.

Because he takes Truth and twists and misuses it.

It's because he does not promote the truth, and there is a lie in his heart that he is promoting. Even if satan were to read me the bible himself, he would be lying. "Father of lies, he is."

No, the Bible is True no matter who reads it.

[One Bad Pig]

If it's all to promote a lie, than even when satan speaks a truth, he actually has a lie in his heart, and he is lying. satan is called the father of lies for a reason, OBP. It's because he does not promote the truth, and there is a lie in his heart that he is promoting. Even if satan were to read me the bible himself, he would be lying. "Father of lies, he is."

So if Satan told you, "I am a liar", he would be lying?

Anyway, that's the way I see it and how I've been taught.

I believe you.

[OtherCheek]

So if Satan told you, "I am a liar", he would be lying?

That reminds me of a Star Trek episode from the original series. How Captain Kirk overloaded the logic chip of the main android that then affected all the other androids--deactivating them too. And Harry Mudd was the villain.

[Cow Poke]

That reminds me of a Star Trek episode from the original series. How Captain Kirk overloaded the logic chip of the main android that then affected all the other androids--deactivating them too. And Harry Mudd was the villain.

Then didn't he program a whole bunch of "bossy woman" androids for Harry?

[OtherCheek]

Then didn't he program a whole bunch of "bossy woman" androids for Harry?

Yes. And they weren't exactly voluptuous either, as I recall.

[Cow Poke]

Yes. And they weren't exactly voluptuous either, as I recall.

Yes, you could tell by the pained expression on Harry's face and his ... um... body language.

But I thought you were going to mention the one (early Kirk) where Nomad was going to sterilize imperfection ... and Kirk convinced it that it made an error by thinking he was the Creator.... error, error, must destroy error...

[OtherCheek]

Yes, you could tell by the pained expression on Harry's face and his ... um... body language.

But I thought you were going to mention the one (early Kirk) where Nomad was going to sterilize imperfection ... and Kirk convinced it that it made an error by thinking he was the Creator.... error, error, must destroy error...

Then there is the new M-5 multitronic computer system episode.

[Cow Poke]

Then there is the new M-5 multitronic computer system episode.

That's completely off topic, OC, and you should no better!

[moreta]

Yes. And they weren't exactly voluptuous either, as I recall.

No, but in 1967, with Bill Thiess designs, did it really matter? I doubt voluptous would fit in Bill Theiss.

Yes, you could tell by the pained expression on Harry's face and his ... um... body language.

But I thought you were going to mention the one (early Kirk) where Nomad was going to sterilize imperfection ... and Kirk convinced it that it made an error by thinking he was the Creator.... error, error, must destroy error...

Have to admit,I, Mudd was the first thing I tought of. I forgot about Nomad. Although, (Warning:pedantic:Warning:) Harry wasn't the villain as such. Just a fool, but he was one of my favorite thorn's in Kirk's side. (Tribbles rule, though!!!!!!)


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