cujo006's Rebuttal to JP Holding Re: Jephthah

[Cerebrum123]

She probably hasn't been looking for the words challenge riposte, but something like "insults for Christ". If she has been looking for the latter, then it's no wonder she didn't find anything.

[fm93]

Her paranoia knows no limits.

Neither does her resistance to facts, for that matter.

[SarahB]

Your effort to tar JPH knows no bounds, does it?

Holding tars himself.

Have you actually read all of his outside articles, or are you just assuming and hoping no one calls you on it?

Going by what he said.

I've attended personal appearances of JPH twice

What do you think of his stage presence?

- and yes, he's mentioned challenge-riposte.

Challenge-riposte is a bogus term for what Holding does. I sincerely doubt he gave a live audience a hint of his Insults for Christ paradigm.

[SarahB]

Her paranoia knows no limits.

Neither does her resistance to facts, for that matter.

He can't even get Licona to side with him.

[Cerebrum123]

He can't even get Licona to side with him.

So, you're some kind of mix between a brick wall, and a broken record? Sarah, I seriously suggest you stop your attacks on Holding, you just make yourself look petty. I really don't have anything against you personally, and that's why I'm trying to politely say that you need to back off on this. The only person you make look bad is yourself.

[lilpixieofterror]

You guys are still messing with Inspector Clouseau?

[RumTumTugger]

Challenge-riposte is a bogus term for what Holding does. I sincerely doubt he gave a live audience a hint of his Insults for Christ paradigm.

No, it is not bogus. You just don't want to accept the fact that he knows what he is talking about. In order to keep deceiving yourself and trying to decieve others that you don't have problem with JPHO. give yourself a break and stop using JPHs valid apologetic sytle as an excuse.

[fm93]

There's a point at which an irritating stimulus ceases to be obnoxious and instead becomes comical. SarahB has reached that point.

[SarahB]

No, it is not bogus.

Do you know of any real apologists who endorse Holding's Insults for Christ paradigm?

You just don't want to accept the fact that he knows what he is talking about.

Are you sure you know what he's talking about? Holding claims <paraphrase> he is probably the only apologist with enough knowledge of ANE to discuss the fitness of his "paradigm".

In order to keep deceiving yourself and trying to decieve others that you don't have problem with JPHO.

What is JPHO?

give yourself a break and stop using JPHs valid apologetic sytle as an excuse.

I don't think it's valid and I suspect you really don't think so either. Why don't you give ol' JP a hand and find some mature Christian leaders who will endorse his "style"?

[fm93]

And now it seems that SarahB has given up trying to skirt around the fact that Strobel endorses JPH, so now she's implying that Strobel isn't a real apologist. Never mind the fact that earlier she was presenting Strobel as an example of a real apologist who doesn't endorse JPH.

See what I mean when I say she's getting comical?

[OfficialPro]

Well, that's one line he may have read. Who knows how much is digested by assistants?

It's still not likely Strobel would endorse your insult theology. Neither would Hanegraaf. Heck, neither would you -- none of your outside articles or personal appearances mention it.

Tone Argument. You are using it. That's not a good thing.

[Manwë Súlimo]

There's a point at which an irritating stimulus ceases to be obnoxious and instead becomes comical. SarahB has reached that point.

Looks like someone got a thesaurus for Christmas.

[fm93]

I was born with a thesaurus in my mind.

[Manwë Súlimo]

That's a very serious medical condition that probably required emergency surgery.

[RumTumTugger]

Do you know of any real apologists who endorse Holding's Insults for Christ paradigm?

Actually it is you who have to show that other apologists are against the Challenge-riposte style JPH and the rest are not in any way obligated bring up those who endorse it. (and little girl do stop using your phrase for what is going on we know full well you are using what you think would put it in a terrible light it won't work here with those of us who know JPH. and understand who he chooses to use the Challenge-Riposte against. folks like you who have not real interest in the truth but just want excuses to continue the way you are.

Are you sure you know what he's talking about? Holding claims <paraphrase> he is probably the only apologist with enough knowledge of ANE to discuss the fitness of his "paradigm".

Yes I do know what he is talking about you see unlike you I am willing to accept the fact that there are others who know more then i do about any given subject and will take what hey recommend to study it if I am interested. I have also been watching JPH online since the mid 80s, and can tell you when he uses the challenge-Riposte on a fundy(christian, atheist etc) it is because they have had ample time to show that they are what they have shown themselves folks who do not want to be confused with the facts or truth.

Sarah I have never seen him say he knows more about ANE then others he unlike you has gone to folks who have made a study of ANE to get his information, he is not content to let folks who do not know about the ANE inform him on how it was in those days. I also do not think he has said anything about other apologists unless it is someone purporting to be an Apologist with such knowledge. So you have shown you do not understand what he was saying.

What is JPHO?

It is what you have shown you are suffering from J.P. Holding Obsession.

I don't think it's valid and I suspect you really don't think so either.

and your suspicion is wrong while it is not my way I am on record as understanding that it is a Valid way to work with those who have shown they are not really interested in the truth or facts. They are only interested trying to excuse themselves from having a true dialog or from admitting that they are wrong.

Why don't you give ol' JP a hand and find some mature Christian leaders who will endorse his "style"?

As I mentioned above it is not up to us Sarah it is up to you to show the true Mature christian leaders and true apologists who are against the Challenge-Riposte style of apologetics I"ll give you a hint the likes of Ed Dingus are not Mature Christians. Until you can show that those like LIcona, Craig, Hanegraff etc are actively against said Challenge-Riposte you have not right to keep asking for us to show those who endorse it.

Bye for now until stop showing yourself to be an obsessed fundy atheist