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    I saw this graphic today, which is quite stunning:


    From here.

    And before people say "but the US has blacks", in 2014 US life-expectancy for whites was 79 so you can see it isn't affecting the above chart much (blacks who comprise ~13% of the US population have a life expectancy only 3.4 years lower). Also, NZ has the Maori (15% of population) who have a ~7 year lower life-expectancy than non-Maori here (due to a culture of smoking and alcohol which the government is doing its best to fix). And Australia has aboriginals with ~10 years lower life expectancy than the rest of the population, but they comprise only 3 percent of total population, so barely affect the chart at all.

    So basically, a person of mixed European genetic heritage, who lives in the US has a ~3 year lower life expectancy on average than people of similar genetics in Canada, Australia, NZ or the UK. And in the US you pay double the yearly per-person health spending of those countries. Of course, diet and lifestyle factors have as much influence, perhaps more, on life expectancy than health spending does. However health spending should have some effect, given that kind of is, after all, its basic purpose. On the whole, as the above chart shows, something is funky in America, and not in a good way.
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    peiple in the usa also have one of the worse diets in the world too. lots of fast food and junk food compared to the rest of the world.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Sparko View Post
      peiple in the usa also have one of the worse diets in the world too. lots of fast food and junk food compared to the rest of the world.
      It's all that bacon, it's killin you man. For your own safety I will be restricting your bacon supply from now on.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Starlight View Post
        It's all that bacon, it's killin you man. For your own safety I will be restricting your bacon supply from now on.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Starlight View Post
          ...On the whole, as the above chart shows, something is funky in America, and not in a good way.
          Obesity and laziness have a lot to do with it, I think. MANY medical problems come from being overweight and not getting enough exercise.
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          • #6
            USA is also unique in the developed world for not having some form of universal health care.

            This is a bit of a derail... but the USA is also an outlier in a number of other ways.
            • The USA has very high income inequity... large gaps between wealthy and poor citizens. Not uniquely so; but unusual for a wealthy nation.
            • The USA is also unusually religious for a wealthy nation. It's been observed, however, that USA is not such an outlier if you compare nations based on wealth equity rather than simply wealth in total.
            • The USA has the largest incarceration rate in the world.
            • The USA use of the death penalty is unusual, though in this case it the USA does not stand out quite so much as previous points.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Sparko View Post
              peiple in the usa also have one of the worse diets in the world too. lots of fast food and junk food compared to the rest of the world.
              I think this is mostly the cause. Americans in general live a more unhealthy lifestyle compared to some other nations. A lot of it has to do with the fact that it's cheaper to eat crap, and those on government assistance tend to have the worst diets of all because of what they're allowed to buy according to the government -- lots of "convenience" foods like sugary breakfast cereals make the list, which have very little nutritional value.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by sylas View Post
                USA is also unique in the developed world for not having some form of universal health care.

                This is a bit of a derail... but the USA is also an outlier in a number of other ways.
                • The USA has very high income inequity... large gaps between wealthy and poor citizens. Not uniquely so; but unusual for a wealthy nation.
                • The USA is also unusually religious for a wealthy nation. It's been observed, however, that USA is not such an outlier if you compare nations based on wealth equity rather than simply wealth in total.
                • The USA has the largest incarceration rate in the world.
                • The USA use of the death penalty is unusual, though in this case it the USA does not stand out quite so much as previous points.
                What does any of this have to do with the price of tea in China? Just wondering.
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                  Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                  It's all that bacon, it's killin you man. For your own safety I will be restricting your bacon supply from now on.
                  The pigs of the world thank you.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                    What does any of this have to do with the price of tea in China? Just wondering.
                    Me too. I'm no sociologist, and I'm not trying to jump to conclusions. But I do think it's plausible that they may be related. The USA is an outlier in a number of ways.

                    Despite being a wealthy nation in net terms, the USA is not nearly so wealthy as far as the experience of its population goes. Lack of universal health care, high inequity in wealth, and sky high incarceration rates all strike hardest at the poorer people in society, and that is where the problem with health is greatest.

                    I'm just deleted a few paragraphs more of what I am trying to think my way through at present, because honest, I'm trying to look and listen more than give out a lot of answers. But I do seriously think it's worth at least having on the table that there's something different in the USA, beyond just the mismatch between life expectancy and health care. It's not an issue in isolation from the other ways in which the USA stands out.

                    Cheers -- sylas

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                    • #11
                      It's the middle class in America that are hit the hardest. The "poor" in the US actually do pretty well, all things considered. I know "poor" people on government assistance who have better health insurance and more spending money than me despite the fact that I'm holding down a good paying job, and they're unemployed.
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                      • #12
                        https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat.../2102rank.html

                        Um, the CIA has the US similarly ranked - but when you look at the actual expectancies, they vary by only a few years - the European Union has less than one year on the US and only the top five have five or more years on the US. Monaco is the biggest outlier on the high end.

                        I don't know - I've only just begun to look at the data - but at the high end of expectancy, I'm dubious that you can draw solid conclusions from such small variance.
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                          Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                          peiple in the usa also have one of the worse diets in the world too. lots of fast food and junk food compared to the rest of the world.
                          Deep-fried butter, anyone?
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by sylas View Post
                              Me too. I'm no sociologist, and I'm not trying to jump to conclusions. But I do think it's plausible that they may be related. The USA is an outlier in a number of ways.

                              Despite being a wealthy nation in net terms, the USA is not nearly so wealthy as far as the experience of its population goes. Lack of universal health care, high inequity in wealth, and sky high incarceration rates all strike hardest at the poorer people in society, and that is where the problem with health is greatest.

                              I'm just deleted a few paragraphs more of what I am trying to think my way through at present, because honest, I'm trying to look and listen more than give out a lot of answers. But I do seriously think it's worth at least having on the table that there's something different in the USA, beyond just the mismatch between life expectancy and health care. It's not an issue in isolation from the other ways in which the USA stands out.

                              Cheers -- sylas
                              Well, the US is unapologetically different. While there is certainly income inequality, having a good chunk of the world's billionaires is likely to net that result - and despite the inequality, the poor of the US tend to have things like air conditioning, cell phones and cable TV - which were all considered luxuries not so long ago.
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