"Name had for good and evil..."

[Bill the Cat]

I wonder what goes through the mind of Evangelical parents with the last name of 'Smith' when they consider bible names for their baby boys. Probably not many with that name since 1830.

I used to fellowship with a Joseph Smith and his wife Jessica and their 2 boys. All evangelicals.

[Cow Poke]

Have you ever considered that Joseph Smith wrote this preemptively knowing that his own crimes and bad character would be raised as an objection to his legitimacy and reliability?

But that makes a good story!

[Hamster]

This is where all the Joseph Smiths are, but doesn't say their religious affiliation

690 in Florida
606 in Pennsylvania
499 in New York
495 in California
473 in Texas
462 in North Carolina
462 in Ohio
393 in Georgia
354 in Michigan

[Cow Poke]

This is where all the Joseph Smiths are, but doesn't say their religious affiliation

690 in Florida
606 in Pennsylvania
499 in New York
495 in California
473 in Texas
462 in North Carolina
462 in Ohio
393 in Georgia
354 in Michigan

Probably all Mormons!

[Hamster]

This website is interesting

http://names.whitepages.com

There are only 495 Gaylords in California

[OtherCheek]

Have you ever considered that Joseph Smith wrote this preemptively knowing that his own crimes and bad character would be raised as an objection to his legitimacy and reliability?

Kinda hard for me to imagine that an obscure, poorly-educated man and some polygamy in a localized setting in rural America 170 years ago could result in such notoriety among "all nations, kindreds, and tongues... and among all people." Hard to imagine that he could have planned this.

[Thersites]

Kinda hard for me to imagine that an obscure, poorly-educated man and some polygamy in a localized setting in rural America 170 years ago could result in such notoriety among "all nations, kindreds, and tongues... and among all people." Hard to imagine that he could have planned this.

The notoriety is in fact in question. Show me a suitable (i.e. global) survey of the most recognized names of historical figures, then we'll talk. If you don't have any such data, we may as well drop the subject.

That aside, "I'll be famous someday" isn't a very good prophecy to begin with.

[Cow Poke]

Kinda hard for me to imagine that an obscure, poorly-educated man and some polygamy in a localized setting in rural America 170 years ago could result in such notoriety among "all nations, kindreds, and tongues... and among all people." Hard to imagine that he could have planned this.

It kinda helps that he constantly drew the attention of the authorities, made himself a Lt. General, became the grand poobah in the Alibaba Temple of the Shrine*, had run-ins with his own former leaders, destroyed the printing press, created a banking scandal, got the Masons of Ohio to fuss at him about running a phony outpost....

He wasn't all that obscure, OC --- he was CONSTANTLY self-promoting himself (department of redundancy department)! Didn't he even try to run for President of the United States?


*that may be a slight mischarachterization.

I'm curious... did I miss a noun or verb or something in "man and some polygamy in a localized setting"? ("and some polygamy"?)

[Hamster]

Kinda hard for me to imagine that an obscure, poorly-educated man and some polygamy in a localized setting in rural America 170 years ago could result in such notoriety among "all nations, kindreds, and tongues... and among all people." Hard to imagine that he could have planned this.

Hard to imagine that a charismatic religious leader who told people he was a prophet, selected personally by God to restore the gospel, would say complimentary things about himself?

[Xru]

The Pope, Obama, Osama Bin Laden, Mickey Mouse, Satan, Adolf Hitler, Muhammad, Batman, Superman, Elvis, Ronald McDonald, The Coca Cola polar bears, The Pillsbury dough boy, The energizer bunny, Kool-Aid man, Martin Luther King Jr, Joseph Stalin, Winston Churchill, Socrates, Aristotle, Charles Dickens, Leonardo DiVinci, Buddha, Charles Darwin, Al Pacino, Fred Nietzsche, Super Mario, John the Baptist, The Virgin Mary, Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Carl Sagan, The Easter Bunny, Brigham Young, Confucious, Moses, Isaiah, Adam, Eve, Paul, The Beatles, Ganesh, St. Joseph

I'd only add Xru, Lord of the Frigid Highlands, and Lao Tzu founder of Tzuism.

[Xru]

Kinda hard for me to imagine that an obscure, poorly-educated man and some polygamy in a localized setting in rural America 170 years ago could result in such notoriety among "all nations, kindreds, and tongues... and among all people." Hard to imagine that he could have planned this.

OC you are such a tool. Grow a brain, start drinking, find a woman, something . .. anything.

Joe Smith is some wacky religious nut who lead some kind of religious nut jobs across the country, started a religion, was forced to join the United States, wanted to have sex with more than one woman though married, and pulled off one of the greatest con-jobs in the history of modern religion.

You are . . . no have become completely tedious. And although for some reason everyone seems to be being nice to you I am getting past that state.

You are the nut-bag who fell of the truck, a pain in the rear, a Troll who has a sack of crap for brains, and an idiot worse than Tass, Burp, or Yo Lunch and you are not as interesting at all but boring boring boring.

I've decided that you have a mental disorder that I have yet to determine. Hopefully, you are on medication. They should up the dose.

And although, having a mental disorder, you still qualify for motor-head.

[One Bad Pig]

Nah, OC's not that bad. Neither is Yo Lunch, if you can get him talking something other than religion.

[OtherCheek]

Hard to imagine that a charismatic religious leader who told people he was a prophet, selected personally by God to restore the gospel, would say complimentary things about himself?

He's been dead for 160 years or so. Yet his name only grows in notoriety.

[OtherCheek]

Nah, OC's not that bad. Neither is Yo Lunch, if you can get him talking something other than religion.

Thanks.

[Thersites]

He's been dead for 160 years or so. Yet his name only grows in notoriety.

Same's true of Abraham Lincoln. As I said before, you really need more evidence to back up this claim about his notoriety, even despite the fact that Smith's fame or lack thereof is totally irrelevant to the validity of the doctrines he promoted.