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      Re: Forty Days...for Choice?

      Quote Originally posted by Catholicity28 View Post
      First time I ever saw an abortion clinic I stood outside and stared, I got this feeling of cold, dark, damp, and I was shivering and all I could see was a blackness I'll never be able to explain
      Its pretty hideous. I saw on DVD the results of 5 month abortion while this Dr. talked about how he felt he was helping this woman save her life and freeing her.

      Man this guy seemed absolutely looney . .. standing their with his stainless steel bowl full of . . . the remains.

      This is a dark time we live in . . . dark and selfish.


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      Re: Forty Days...for Choice?

      Quote Originally posted by Rayado View Post
      Prayer #38--for a 'cloud of peace' to descend on abortion clinics--makes me think they've never actually been to an abortion clinic. The only other time I've felt so incredibly freaked out as I was standing in front of our local abortion clinic for 40 Days for Life was when I stood in the gas chambers at Dachau. They are anything but peaceful places and no amount of prayer is going to fix that.
      Unfortunately, the thought process that leads to both are about the same.

      Getting rid of the Jews was generally thought a good thing in Germany(unfortunate but necessary) just like abortions are seen as socially justified as allowing the mother to live a full life unencumbered by a child (unfortunate but necessary).


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      Re: Forty Days...for Choice?

      Just noticed something in Faith Aloud's November 2011 newsletter...guess who is on their Board of Directors?

      LeRoy Carhart. Yeah, that LeRoy Carhart.
      Okay, I finally have a blog.

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      Re: Forty Days...for Choice?

      Turns out I caught them in a little fib:

      Welcome back. This time, we’re going to be taking a look at the November 2011 newsletter from Faith Aloud, the creators of the 40 Days of Prayer campaign. I would like to use this as a springboard, of sorts, to look at the 40 prayers themselves.

      In the section entitled “Pray to End Sidewalk Bullying,” we find:

      This campaign was a direct response to an anti‐choice group called “Operation Rescue” (or “Operation Save America”) who semi‐annually plans 40‐day intensive protests on clinics in hopes of bullying patients and doctors out of a woman’s right to choose. During the “40 Days for Life” campaign, the amount of protesters often doubles outside of clinics. Parents pull their children out of school to picket, buses of youth groups are dropped off, and large congregations appear, sometimes to scream at women that they are murderers going to hell, other times trying to offer them inaccurate information, while endlessly harassing the clinic staff members.

      Wait a minute…what’s this? Created in direct response to 40 Days for Life? What was that that Rev. Rebecca Turner said in her interview with Focus on the Family?

      Focus on the Family: Reverend Rebecca Turner says the title of the prayer campaign is named after Lent, and has nothing to do with the 40 Days for Life event.

      Rev. Turner: During Lent, to say that there is, um, that there is a compassionate voice out there with religious people who are supportive of women in difficult situations.


      So was it created in response to FDFL, or not? Am I supposed to believe the interview, or the newsletter? I presume that this is a case of confusion, because if it’s a case of dishonesty, that would not be good.
      Also, these folks are completely incapable of defending their claims. It would be amusing to watch the Twitter waffling, if it wasn't such a serious topic.
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      Quote Originally posted by Rayado View Post
      Yep. Check out their list of things to pray for:

      linky to PDF

      And who are the charming folks behind this?

      http://www.faithaloud.org/faith/index.php

      What an...interesting take on prayer, morality and ethics, and things like that. They also have some signs for sale for folks who 'defend' clinics from pro-life sidewalk folks.

      Seems like they're based out of St. Louis--I wonder if they would be up for a little debate some time that I'm the neighborhood?

      So aside from the 'yuck' factor, their list of things to pray for(!), I'm thinking that list would be easy to turn around and use against them.
      Here is what is prayed for on Day 40:
      "Today we give thanks and celebrate that
      abortion is still safe and legal."

      If you believe that the human fetus is a human person just like a human being outside of the womb and that killing a human fetus is murder just like killing a human being outside of the womb, then you would not pray like that. The issue surrounding abortion is not about whether women should have the right to privacy. The issue surrounding abortion is about whether the human fetus is a human person just like you and me.

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      Has Faith Aloud ever considered that the human fetus might be a human person just like a human being outside of the womb?

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      Quote Originally posted by siliconwafer View Post
      Has Faith Aloud ever considered that the human fetus might be a human person just like a human being outside of the womb?
      That's a good question--they haven't. The closest they ever got was when their Executive Director waffled on the question of when life begins during an interview with Focus on the Family. And I've been hammering them relentlessly on my little blog about that very thing.
      Okay, I finally have a blog.

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