Trump tanks favorability ratings worldwide

[Bill the Cat]

A sample of what Trump is making news for today:
Trump proposes end to heating aid for low-income Americans

Let's look at these...

The LIHEAP program already has undergone substantial cuts.
The average benefit has been reduced by $100 from 2010 to 2015 as funding was slashed during the Obama administration. That coincides with Venezuela's Citgo Petroleum Corp. ending participation in a free-oil program run by a Massachusetts-based nonprofit.

Trump floated the idea as a potential area fro streamlining government spending amid some evidence of fraud in payments. But, Congress controls the purse, so the idea will more than likely go nowhere. A suggestion that won't ever be implemented is a non-issue.

The Senate's Trumpcare Bill Will Kill 50 Times More Americans Than Terrorists Have

People don't die from healthcare, so the fanatical claim is utter bunk.

Donald Trump has spent more than 21 percent of his days as president at golf clubs

And has worked most every time at them.

Looks like he's hard at work with all that winning... wait, that's not winning...

So, a proposal on cutting spending, an outright lie, and a blatant obfuscation. Quality work there Starfruit.

[Bill the Cat]

Everyone should care because we live in an interconnected world where the actions of one country impact on other countries. Isolationism is not the way to go; it's not even possible nowadays.

But that in no way means we kowtow to the whims of other nations. We are sovereign for a reason. Obama and his ilk basically tossed our sovereignty down the drain and played lapdog to the globalists, and Trump is having to correct that overreaction.

It's called "diplomacy". You know that thing international world leaders do.

No, it's called leadership. Obama led from behind while Trump is putting the US where we belong - at the forefront of the world's leadership. And the smaller nations hate him for putting them back in their place.

Just as well. because he certainly isn't, he's an international joke.

A joke that few dare to cross directly. They stay in the safety of their own borders and take pot shots at him. Like good little cowards.

[Bill the Cat]

Hey don't laugh... coal is going to make a comeback. We'll be back to the glory days of Charles Dickens by the end of his first term! #maga

Some of the Dickens' day were pretty good. In some ways, it was much better than the cesspool California has become...

[Jin-roh]

People don't die from healthcare, so the fanatical claim is utter bunk.

Yes Bill, people don't die from healthcare.

People die from preventable or otherwise treatable illness.

Now, any reasonable and charitable person probably would've taken Starlight to mean that the lack of healthcare, due to Trump's policies, will allow people to be die by aforementioned preventable and treatable diseases.

Furthermore, I think a reasonable person might ask Starlight for a source for his claim.

Of course, it's lot easier to type a verbal snarl into a message board than to act like a grown up.

Shall I auto-load a response for you? Maybe something like... "people will just have to buy their healthcare another way, and that is not the job for government?" or is there another knee-jerk neo-con slant that you would like to put on your reply?

[Starlight]

People don't die from healthcare, so the fanatical claim is utter bunk.

I guess you are that stupid. Did you even try reading the article I linked to? The CBO found Trumpcare will cause 15 million to lose insurance coverage. From existing scientific studies, we can reasonably predict this will translate to 18,000 preventable American deaths from lack of ability to access needed healthcare.

And has worked most every time at them.

Dude your article says he had a working lunch one time. I guess you are that stupid, but one time is not all the times.

[Darth Executor]

Yes Bill, people don't die from healthcare.

People die from preventable or otherwise treatable illness.

Now, any reasonable and charitable person probably would've taken Starlight to mean that the lack of healthcare, due to Trump's policies, will allow people to be die by aforementioned preventable and treatable diseases.

Furthermore, I think a reasonable person might ask Starlight for a source for his claim.

Of course, it's lot easier to type a verbal snarl into a message board than to act like a grown up.

Shall I auto-load a response for you? Maybe something like... "people will just have to buy their healthcare another way, and that is not the job for government?" or is there another knee-jerk neo-con slant that you would like to put on your reply?

Nobody will deny you healthcare. What some people will be denied is to have someone else pay for said healthcare. So the whole debate is about who to put the burden on: trump's proffessional class and working class supporters, or the democrats' welfare class and working class supporters.

Let's not forget there's nothing stopping democrats from implementing universal healthcare at the state level either. You don't want to do it because you want control of people's wallets, not because it's that urgent of an issue for you.

[One Bad Pig]

I guess you are that stupid. Did you even try reading the article I linked to? The CBO found Trumpcare will cause 15 million to lose insurance coverage. From existing scientific studies, we can reasonably predict this will translate to 18,000 preventable American deaths from lack of ability to access needed healthcare.

The CBO is not infrequently wrong. That's not entirely its fault; it can only work with what it's given.

Dude your article says he had a working lunch one time. I guess you are that stupid, but one time is not all the times.

Dude, that's an example.

[Jin-roh]

Nobody will deny you healthcare. What some people will be denied is to have someone else pay for said healthcare.

People are denied insurance quite often, and insurance is also 'someone else' paying for said healthcare.

So the whole debate is about who to put the burden on: trump's proffessional class and working class supporters, or the democrats' welfare class and working class supporters.

Trump's working class is quite often a welfare class, so I don't exactly belong to the democrats.

Let's not forget there's nothing stopping democrats from implementing universal healthcare at the state level either. You don't want to do it because you want control of people's wallets, not because it's that urgent of an issue for you.

CA is considering something like this right now. Should it get running, I hope the next step is to stop contributing any healthcare programs at the federal level. Let the intransigent welfare states pay their own bills.

[Starlight]

Nobody will deny you healthcare.

Healthcare providers will literally deny you healthcare in the US if you turn up unable to pay. Unless you turn up to the emergency room, which:

What some people will be denied is to have someone else pay for said healthcare.

Currently people turning up to the emergency room have to be provided healthcare. When they subsequently don't pay the bill, it's essentially other people paying for their healthcare. Trumpcare doesn't change this fact, so other people will still be paying for emergency room healthcare. Trumpcare also doesn't change the idea of insurance in general, which is all about spreading the risk and essentially having other people's premiums pay your costs if you are the person that needs the care.

Unfortunately emergency room treatment doesn't work well for some types of illness (e.g. cancer) that require specialist and ongoing treatment. These are the kinds of people Trumpcare will kill if passed.

Let's not forget there's nothing stopping democrats from implementing universal healthcare at the state level either.

There kind of is: The way US state and federal budgets and taxes are structured and existing federal regulations around healthcare. California, Vermont, and New York have all looked fairly seriously at trying to pass state-level universal healthcare. I suspect that if Trumpcare does go ahead, that CA and NY will pass their state-level universal healthcare legislation that's currently kicking around in their state houses.

You don't want to do it because you want control of people's wallets, not because it's that urgent of an issue for you.

Conspiracy much? I hear your friend Alex Jones has one-upped his "Hillary's people are a running a child sex ring out of a pizza shop" to "NASA is running one on Mars".

[Darth Executor]

People are denied insurance quite often, and insurance is also 'someone else' paying for said healthcare.

Being denied insurance just means you're on the hook to pay for your own healthcare. It's not the same as being denied healthcare

Trump's working class is quite often a welfare class, so I don't exactly belong to the democrats.

What does "quite often" mean? People on welfare vote democrat in very high proportions.

CA is considering something like this right now. Should it get running, I hope the next step is to stop contributing any healthcare programs at the federal level. Let the intransigent welfare states pay their own bills.

Seems to me that's all they ever asked for.

[Darth Executor]

Conspiracy much? I hear your friend Alex Jones has one-upped his "Hillary's people are a running a child sex ring out of a pizza shop" to "NASA is running one on Mars".

I alreday humiliated you on this subject once, there's no reason to revisit the conversation just because having your head shoved in the toilet once wasn't instructive enough the first time.

[Tassman]

But that in no way means we kowtow to the whims of other nations.

The trick is to engage with other nations, not bully them.

We are sovereign for a reason. Obama and his ilk basically tossed our sovereignty down the drain and played lapdog to the globalists, and Trump is having to correct that overreaction.

So goes the party line.

Trump will “correct” nothing if he alienates the US’s traditional allies.

No, it's called leadership. Obama led from behind while Trump is putting the US where we belong - at the forefront of the world's leadership. And the smaller nations hate him for putting them back in their place.

That's not “leadership”. Surveys show that the image of the United States has deteriorated sharply across the globe under Trump and an overwhelming majority of people in other countries have no confidence in his ability to lead.

A joke that few dare to cross directly. They stay in the safety of their own borders and take pot shots at him. Like good little cowards.

Nonsense! He’s a lying bully whom nobody trusts, including the majority of US citizens. .

[Bill the Cat]

The trick is to engage with other nations, not bully them.

You mean like refusing to allow Trump a state visit? Sorry bub... Trump is trying to engage other nations while they continue to act like petulant children.

So goes the party line.

So goes reality.

Trump will “correct” nothing if he alienates the US’s traditional allies.

The US' traditional allies are acting like spoiled brats. There are US military bases in England, Germany, and Italy for a reason. But notice there are no British, German, or Italian bases in the US. Why do you think that is?

That's not “leadership”.

That's EXACTLY what that is.

Surveys show

Surveys...

that the image of the United States has deteriorated sharply across the globe under Trump

And most can't articulate why - just that Trump is a big fat orange meanie. Either that, or they are progressive morons like you and Star.

and an overwhelming majority of people in other countries have no confidence in his ability to lead.

So what. Again, why do we give a crap? The overwhelming majority are clamoring for the US to do something about North Korea and Syria. That's not something you do to someone in whom you have no confidence... The world whines and moans until it needs us, and then they turn to US. Not Australia. Not New Zealand. Not England or Germany, or Brazil, or India. US.

Nonsense! He’s a lying bully whom nobody trusts, including the majority of US citizens. .

Who really trusts their politicians - honestly?

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[Bill the Cat]

Yes Bill, people don't die from healthcare.

People die from preventable or otherwise treatable illness.

People die from all manner of things. Imagine how many lives could be saved if we outlaw alcohol. Nearly 90,000 die every year from the preventable cause of alcohol. Or tobacco - almost half a million per year! Simply outlawing tobacco and alcohol would save far more lives per year than Obamacare supposedly saved.

The fact is, preventable deaths have decreased quite a bit since 2010 - before Obamacare came along.

Now, any reasonable and charitable person probably would've taken Starlight to mean that the lack of healthcare, due to Trump's policies, will allow people to be die by aforementioned preventable and treatable diseases.

It's a guess. And it's a fact that mortality rates from preventable and treatable diseases were already on the decline before Obamacare, so it stands to reason that the trend would continue despite some people not getting insurance off the government dime.

Furthermore, I think a reasonable person might ask Starlight for a source for his claim.

I know his sources already. Why bother? He thinks it is perfectly fine for a government to take as much money from the working class as they want. I don't. Therefore, we will never see eye to eye on the subject.

Of course, it's lot easier to type a verbal snarl into a message board than to act like a grown up.

The two are not mutually exclusive.

Shall I auto-load a response for you? Maybe something like... "people will just have to buy their healthcare another way, and that is not the job for government?" or is there another knee-jerk neo-con slant that you would like to put on your reply?

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[rogue06]

People die from all manner of things. Imagine how many lives could be saved if we outlaw alcohol. Nearly 90,000 die every year from the preventable cause of alcohol.

We tried that. Didn't work out as planned.