Thread: Foxes to Dogs
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April 15th 2012, 02:09 PM #16
Re: Foxes to Dogs
The unexpected and unintentional side-effects of selectively breeding for tameness in Russian silver foxes are what I found most interesting. Not only did they alter their temperament and behavior but as a by-product also changed them physically as well.
They started exhibiting physical characteristics seen in domesticated dogs such as floppy ears rather than pointy ears, curving, turned up tails rather than down and going into heat every six months rather than once per year. Presumably, the genes responsible for docile behavior have other effects as well. Such changes indicate pleiotrophy which is when one gene influences multiple phenotypic traits that are seemingly not connected.
All of this suggests that when you wonder what a given trait's survival advantage is in the evolutionary sense that you may be asking the wrong question. It might be that the trait you are examining was the result of the development of some other, more important, trait to which it is pleiotropically linked.
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April 15th 2012, 02:12 PM #17
Re: Foxes to Dogs
Always strive to keep an open mind – but not so open that your brains fall out!Still afeared of & dodging The PINTM
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April 15th 2012, 03:13 PM #18
Re: Foxes to Dogs
Speaking of pleiotropy... Just came across a paper on it over at CARM (hat tip to Promethean) wrt malaria. For those interested: Antagonistic pleiotropy as a widespread mechanism for the maintenance of polymorphic disease alleles which seeks to explain how an apparently deleterious mutation remains in the population, and in frequencies higher that we would expect.
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April 17th 2012, 09:07 AM #19
Re: Foxes to Dogs
Are you saying that the aggressive foxes were a variation of the wild foxes?
You won't understand my question so I'll try another way -
The experimenters captured various silver foxes from the wild.
They interbred the foxes.
Some offspring were aggressive, some were tame.
Are you saying that the original foxes were the common ancestor?
You couldn't be that dumb. So let's move on.
The experimenters split the foxes into two groups. They bred the foxes and in one group the experimenters killed any that seemed aggressive. In this 'tame' group the experimenters kept breeding and killing any aggressive children.
Slowly this 'tame' group' had more tame children than aggressive children
So who was the common ancestor?
Magellan
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April 19th 2012, 05:54 AM #20
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