Ann Romney: Housewife extraordinaire....

[lilpixieofterror]

I am not exactly sure what your point here is. That Obama's too poor and can't afford to send his wife on vacation so he uses taxpayer's money to do so?

For half a million dollars? That is one expensive vacation and even then, Obama is not poor at all. You do know his net worth is in the millions of dollars, right?

[lilpixieofterror]

One of the biggest problems the US has that Denmark doesn't have to deal with is the piece of crap third world country to the south. Mexico is a crap hole which results in heavy illegal immigration (most of whom are quite poor and skew a lot of the statistics in that direction) as well as organized crime (it doesn't help that Calderon and the rest of the Mexican government is likely owned by the cartels). This is bound to jack up mortality rates and poverty statistics. Let's not even get started on the fact that the Democratic party goes out of its way to herd certain minorities into poorly run neighbourhoods with no intention of helping them out because keeping them in fear of losing what little they have ensures a solid voting block will be there for them every election.

Yeah, that actually is accurate. A lot of crime slips in from Mexico and brings crime to go with it. Denmark doesn't have those countries on it's boarder cause it all sorts of problems. That is why you can't use pure stats when discussing these issues.

[Darth Executor]

Nick:
I am not exactly sure what your point here is. That Obama's too poor and can't afford to send his wife on vacation so he uses taxpayer's money to do so?

I can't afford to go on vacation either, give me half a million dollars or you hate the poor.

[OtherCheek]

Nick:
I am not exactly sure what your point here is. That Obama's too poor and can't afford to send his wife on vacation so he uses taxpayer's money to do so?

The point is that while the country is reeling from a recession, and everybody has had to cut back, here we have the Obama's living lavishly off the people's tax money. Not a good example of leadership, if you ask me.

[nickcopernicus]

Crystal, since we don’t have much disagreement, I’ll just focus on a few points here. I’m afraid time constrains me now and I can’t spend as much time here as I would like. Anyway…..

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3. She attended a private school in her youth, the same one Mitt attended, that right there shows her family was not poor. Her father was a business man who became president of Jered Industries, so sorry your assertion there also fall flat because she didn't 'sleep her way' up at all, her family had money and she married Mitt. I found this out just by reading her biography. Did you even bother to look up this information before you made her assertion?

Nick:
Well, the bottom line is that she didn’t earn her wealth, agreed? This was why I said I was more successful than her. As to her family having money, I’m not sure how that detracts from the possibility that she slept her way up. It’s just a guess, but I’d say she has more money (or shares it, rather) than she did before she married Romney. I dunno if she was in the 1% before she got with him, but she certainly is now and it doesn’t appear to be through any jobs she had…..except for being a housewife. Right?

LPOT:
Money is not the only measurement of success, again looking at her bio she has:

- Earned several degrees
- Raised 5 children
- A survivor of quite a number of diseases. Know anything about MS?
- Was a huge part of her husband's campaign. From what her bio says, she campaigned for him on a nightly bases during Mitt's 1994 run for senate (which he lost).

Nick:
It’s hard to survive those diseases. I’ll give her props for that. She has more degrees than I do so I’ll give her credit for that as well. As for the rest….Colour me unimpressed.

LPOT:
Also, she has claimed in interviews to have 'never had a serious argument' and people criticized her for saying that! I've been married over a year and a half and I haven't had one either. Sure, we do disagree, but we don't raise our voices or get mad. That does tell me they have a pretty good marriage and while I may not agree with them in matters of politics and religion, I hope I can say the same thing after 40 years of being married. Sounds like she is quite successful to me, even though she doesn't get paid for it. You do know that a good husband/wife is something few people ever find, right? Success isn't just counted in dollars earned and I sure don't measure mine that way, I would rather be married to who I am married to right now then make millions of dollars and I mean that too. That is more successful to me then my ability to earn money.

Nick:
As Lady Romney has put herself in the political arena, of course she’s not going to admit marital problems. I am not saying that she does have them. Rather, I take her comments with a bit of skepticism as I do all political statements.
Yes, I do know that many marriages aren’t happy ones. That makes me all the more skeptical of hers. Was there any wind at all about the Clinton’s marriage before that Lewinski affair?

LPOT:
Which is no different then the liberal commentators I have seen on TV either. I can barely stomach any of them and can't stand Glen Beck, I can't watch his show without changing the channel and the same goes for Rachael Maddow, I can't watch her show all the way though either. I can stomach Bill O'Riley or that other guy on MSNBC, but I just don't care for their tendencies to inject into the people they invite to their show to 'interview'. It is the same across the board, liberals are no different.

Nick:
I tend to read more commentaries than watch them. I try to balance myself by reading an equal amount of drivel from both the NYT & the Wall Street Journal, and of course, Fox News. The ultra-slow internet doesn’t allow for a lot of watching TV on the internet here; as you well know.

LPOT:
http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-doctor-i...l-miscarriage/
The US reports lower birth weights then other countries do, we report babies that die within the first 24 hours while other countries do not, we report babies born before 26 weeks and many countries do not, and finally we also report babies that are below a certain measurement as an infant death if the baby dies while many countries do not. That is why those stats are misleading.

Nick:
Well, I’m not familiar with PJ media and they did not source their claims. But since I’m the one who griped about wanting a source I guess I’ll dig a little deeper and see if I find anything different.

Either way, for now, I will concede that perhaps our reporting differences probably skew the results in other countries’ favor on infant mortality rates.
I remain unconvinced, however, that the US healthcare system is superior to our developed nation counterparts (not saying that you said it is). For healthcare, we spend more than twice as a percentage of GDP than in Denmark. IRRC, they have a single payer public plan. It appears that their healthcare system is more efficient than ours. Of course, it’s possible that their population is simply healthier than ours, and therefore they don’t need to spend as much on healthcare. Look at the obesity rates, for example.

Either way, they’re doing something that we’re not.

LPOT:
Claims and actually being is two different things my friend. I have seen many people claim that there is some sort of conspiracy to keep women down going on, but evidence of this is well... not there.

Nick:
True, Lawyers will try to defend almost anything. I doubt it’s any kind of a conspiracy and more of a systemic problem.

LPOT:
The C-141 was retired in 2006 and are only found in mothball status right now. Most national guard units fly C-17s now (since congress wants us to keep buying the things, they got to go somewhere). Remember Nick, I am AF and I know all about this stuff.

Nick:
Oops. Guess I was wrong about this. I got out in 2006 so I’m a little behind the power curve.
If you want me to go over anything else then I’ll be happy to.

Cheers,

Nick

[nickcopernicus]

For half a million dollars? That is one expensive vacation and even then, Obama is not poor at all. You do know his net worth is in the millions of dollars, right?

Nick:
Let me be clear that I am speculating here. I would guess a lot of that money was if we factored in the cost of the salaries of the Secret Service, the Jet fuel, landing fees, ect. IOW, I doubt it was becuase she was spending money like a drunken sailor.

Perhaps if that link had privided us with an itemized expense report instead of propoganda then we could see how lavish her vacation was.

Darth E.
I can't afford to go on vacation either, give me half a million dollars or you hate the poor.

Nick:
We're talking about Obama here not me. So, apparently, Obama gave 22% of his anual income last year to charity. Do you think Mitt Romney did the same or better? I somehow doubt it. As for Ms Obama's vacation, as I said to Crystal, until I see an itemized list I'll write this off as propoganda.

Cheers,

Nick

[nickcopernicus]

The point is that while the country is reeling from a recession, and everybody has had to cut back, here we have the Obama's living lavishly off the people's tax money. Not a good example of leadership, if you ask me.

Nick:
I prepared this table for you. (click on the attachment to enlarge)


I created it from the Treasury department. I put a president to not be accountable for his first year in office, and had him accountable for one year after he left office. Other than that, I only had Ms Excel calculate the data. Going off presidents alone. I want you to tell me who has been better or worse for the increases in the national debt. Lavish half a million dollar vacations for one's wife notwithstanding.

* If we include Carter's, the democrat’s average debt increase goes up significantly, but still far below that of Republicans. But if I add, Carter, I may as well add Johnson & Nixon, ect, ect. So we can go back. Plus we can also add the congressional majorities; specifically the House of Representatives, who control the purse (more or less)....which Democrats have had a majority for most of US history. I am doing this more for illustrative purposes, des ne?

cheers,

Nick


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[Jaecp]

Paints quite the picture

I don't think going back farther is that necessary. Dispelling myths about Reagan is fun enough for all of us, and liberals hardly worship Carter.

[Darth Executor]

Paints quite the picture

Yes, it's quite representative of the liberal tendency to misuse statistics.

[Jaecp]

Do go on

[Darth Executor]

Do go on

We can start with the fact that it has nothing to do with how much money those presidents spent for their personal pleasure.

[Jaecp]

It shows fiscal responsibility in general, and it paints a pretty damning picture.

[Nathan Poe]

It shows fiscal responsibility in general, and it paints a pretty damning picture.

And if you want to talk personal pleasure, we can always tally up the amount of vacation time spent by each president -- although that would paint an even more damning picture.

[Darth Executor]

And if you want to talk personal pleasure, we can always tally up the amount of vacation time spent by each president -- although that would paint an even more damning picture.

That your post is stupid goes without saying. However, vacation time doesn't say much either since presidents can still work while on vacation. It is not necessarily a net negative. Sending your wife on an expensive vacation is, unless Obama can't get any work done with her around.

[Jaecp]

That your post is stupid goes without saying. However, vacation time doesn't say much either since presidents can still work while on vacation. It is not necessarily a net negative. Sending your wife on an expensive vacation is, unless Obama can't get any work done with her around.

So, what were the costs on the trip anyway?