Obama wants to ban child farm labor

[Pilgrim]

YET, perhaps. What Government Program have you ever seen that has SHRUNK or become LESS powerful and LESS expensive?

The bureau of Indian Affairs?

[Cow Poke]

The bureau of Indian Affairs?

Hmmmm from just a cursory search, I'd have to say this is a welcome exception!

[Cow Poke]

Does anybody have the actual wording of the proposed legislation, instead of somebody's interpretation?

The one thing that I see is an exception for children working on the farm that their own parents own.
That's wonderful, but farms are "families", and grandchildren, nieces and nephews seem to be excluded, too.

When you have a 14 year old that stacks hay, for example, and he wants to help his neighbor so he can earn a little extra money, that seems to be a problem.

I'm willing to be convinced that the "reporting" of this policy is way overblown.

from the linked article

The department also is proposing to create a new nonagricultural hazardous occupations order that would prevent children under 18 from being employed in the storing, marketing and transporting of farm product raw materials. Prohibited places of employment would include country grain elevators, grain bins, silos, feed lots, stockyards, livestock exchanges and livestock auctions.

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That last part, particularly, seems ridiculous - that a 17 year old can't earn some money by moving cows around in a stockyard or helping run them through a livestock auction.

[Nathan Poe]

Does anybody have the actual wording of the proposed legislation, instead of somebody's interpretation?

The one thing that I see is an exception for children working on the farm that their own parents own.

So once again, the notion that Obama is intruding on private lives falls flat.

That's wonderful, but farms are "families", and grandchildren, nieces and nephews seem to be excluded, too.

And what -- besides the belief that Obama is evil incarnate -- makes you think that the law will be enforced so literally?

When you have a 14 year old that stacks hay, for example, and he wants to help his neighbor so he can earn a little extra money, that seems to be a problem.

No more of a problem than if that same 14 year old want to earn a little extra money by stacking inventory at his neighbor's grocery store.

I'm willing to be convinced that the "reporting" of this policy is way overblown.

So be convinced -- compare it to all the other reports of "OMG OBAMA IS AN EBIL EBIL MAN!!!!!!!!11111!!" and measure the facts against the hysterics.

We've already seen that the notion of his intrusion into "the family" is way overblown -- including by you.

[Cow Poke]

So once again, the notion that Obama is intruding on private lives falls flat.

Because YOU say so?

And what -- besides the belief that Obama is evil incarnate -- makes you think that the law will be enforced so literally?

Well, yeah, let's make rules that we don't intend to enforce! After all, the liberals make all kinds of gun laws they don't enforce, cause they're not restrictive enough, so they need MORE anti-gun laws.

No more of a problem than if that same 14 year old want to earn a little extra money by stacking inventory at his neighbor's grocery store.

You must be a city kid.

So be convinced -- compare it to all the other reports of "OMG OBAMA IS AN EBIL EBIL MAN!!!!!!!!11111!!" and measure the facts against the hysterics.

Turn down the Drama, Nate - I'm actually trying to look at the actual TEXT of the law/ruling/policy/whatever.

We've already seen that the notion of his intrusion into "the family" is way overblown -- including by you.

Calm down, brother, you're gonna have a stroke! I just think the government needs to stay out of my business as much as possible, yes. You got a problem with that?

[Nathan Poe]

Because YOU say so?

No, because the law itself says so -- and so did you. Obama is not stopping kids from working their family farms, therefore he is not intruding on your family business.

Well, yeah, let's make rules that we don't intend to enforce! After all, the liberals make all kinds of gun laws they don't enforce, cause they're not restrictive enough, so they need MORE anti-gun laws.

Ok, stop, take a breath, and think -- then you can address what I'm actually talking about, as opposed to trying to make yourself sound clever. The fact is that the law does not apply to children working their parents' farms -- we both agree that the law is very specific on that.

Now, is the judiciary going to construe that so narrowly that "parents" will not refer to family except for their actual biological "mom" and "dad," of is the intent of the law to allow children to continue working for their families?

Remember -- stop, breathe, think... then respond.

You must be a city kid.

No kidding. But this has what to do with child labor laws?

Turn down the Drama, Nate - I'm actually trying to look at the actual TEXT of the law/ruling/policy/whatever.

Don't tell me -- tell the folks who started this thread. Have you read the first half-dozen posts?

Calm down, brother, you're gonna have a stroke!

I'm not the one on the anti-Obama bandwagon.

I just think the government needs to stay out of my business as much as possible, yes. You got a problem with that?

No problem whatsoever -- so when are we going to be seeing your kid down at the ol' coal mine?

[ke7ejx]

Silly liberals....

[eudyptes]

"Obama wants to ban child farm labor"

Well if you ban the labor....the "child farms" won't succeed....not being a proponent of "child farms".....oh wait.....nevermind......

[Cow Poke]

No, because the law itself says so -- and so did you. Obama is not stopping kids from working their family farms, therefore he is not intruding on your family business.

You don't know my family business, Nate. You ASSume so much. My GRANDKIDS earn money on my ranch, and there are other aspects which MAY impact me.

YOU, on the other hand, probably don't even have anything at stake in this.

Ok, stop, take a breath, and think -- then you can address what I'm actually talking about, as opposed to trying to make yourself sound clever. The fact is that the law does not apply to children working their parents' farms -- we both agree that the law is very specific on that.

The specificity is the problem, Nate. I have grandkids, and they have friends.

Now, is the judiciary going to construe that so narrowly that "parents" will not refer to family except for their actual biological "mom" and "dad," of is the intent of the law to allow children to continue working for their families?

Did you actually READ the law? I'm asking for an actual copy -- not somebody's summary, or a proposed draft.

Remember -- stop, breathe, think... then respond.

You do have a flair for drama.

No kidding. But this has what to do with child labor laws?

Are you THAT DENSE, Nate? How many grain silos and feed lots and cattle auctions have you seen IN THE CITY? This has to do with farm and ranch, apparently.

I'm not the one on the anti-Obama bandwagon.

If you'll just calm yourself and read what I wrote, I'm wanting to read the ACTUAL LEGISLATION, Nate -- it has nothing to do with the fact that I think Obama is a pinko commie liberal socialist leftist.

No problem whatsoever -- so when are we going to be seeing your kid down at the ol' coal mine?

I don't have a coal mine, Nate --- and this isn't ABOUT coal mines.

You just enjoy being a schmuck, don't you?

you responded to a previous post of mine without seeing that I had edited it to add....



I'm willing to be convinced that the "reporting" of this policy is way overblown.

from the linked article

The department also is proposing to create a new nonagricultural hazardous occupations order that would prevent children under 18 from being employed in the storing, marketing and transporting of farm product raw materials. Prohibited places of employment would include country grain elevators, grain bins, silos, feed lots, stockyards, livestock exchanges and livestock auctions.

© source where applicable

That last part, particularly, seems ridiculous - that a 17 year old can't earn some money by moving cows around in a stockyard or helping run them through a livestock auction.

[Nathan Poe]

"Obama wants to ban child farm labor"

Well if you ban the labor....the "child farms" won't succeed....not being a proponent of "child farms".....oh wait.....nevermind......

Yeah, I prefer free range children myself.

[Nathan Poe]

You don't know my family business, Nate. You ASSume so much. My GRANDKIDS earn money on my ranch, and there are other aspects which MAY impact me.

YOU, on the other hand, probably don't even have anything at stake in this.

Not one blessed thing -- so do you think the gov't is going to be so literal as to outlaw all such family business?

The specificity is the problem, Nate. I have grandkids, and they have friends.

Unless the gov't goes rediculously (and probably unenforcably) hyperliteral, your grandkids are fine -- their friends, however, will have to work their own farms.

Did you actually READ the law? I'm asking for an actual copy -- not somebody's summary, or a proposed draft.

If the law hasn't been enacted yet, a "proposed draft" is as good as it's going to get.

You do have a flair for drama.

YET, perhaps. What Government Program have you ever seen that has SHRUNK or become LESS powerful and LESS expensive?

and hand in hand, we march down the slippery slope... together.

Are you THAT DENSE, Nate? How many grain silos and feed lots and cattle auctions have you seen IN THE CITY? This has to do with farm and ranch, apparently.

Right -- which means farms and ranches are no longer exempt from child labor laws -- give or take a few commonsense provisions to keep government out of family business -- which negates the panic from the OP.

Are you THAT INSISTENT on special treatment for yourself?

If you'll just calm yourself and read what I wrote, I'm wanting to read the ACTUAL LEGISLATION, Nate -- it has nothing to do with the fact that I think Obama is a pinko commie liberal socialist leftist.

Good on you -- that puts you somewhat smarter than the rest of the anti-Obama hysterics on this thread thus far.

A pity that bar's been set so low.

I don't have a coal mine, Nate --- and this isn't ABOUT coal mines.

But it is about child labor -- I understand that you are THAT DENSE, but even you should be able to recognize figurative language once it's been pointed out to you.

You just enjoy being a schmuck, don't you?

Small price to pay for trying to communicate on the level of this thread.

you responded to a previous post of mine without seeing that I had edited it to add....


I'm willing to be convinced that the "reporting" of this policy is way overblown.

I saw that -- I simply don't believe you.

from the linked article

The department also is proposing to create a new nonagricultural hazardous occupations order that would prevent children under 18 from being employed in the storing, marketing and transporting of farm product raw materials. Prohibited places of employment would include country grain elevators, grain bins, silos, feed lots, stockyards, livestock exchanges and livestock auctions.

© source where applicable

That last part, particularly, seems ridiculous - that a 17 year old can't earn some money by moving cows around in a stockyard or helping run them through a livestock auction.

Unless it's a family business. We have laws guarding children in work environments -- why shouldn't those laws be given long overdue updates?

[Cow Poke]

Not one blessed thing

That's all I need to know.

[Cow Poke]

Hey! Something else OC and I can agree on! I think we're doing pretty good!

Play the Twilight Zone theme, because that makes THREE of us.

OBVIOUSLY, that means there's something about this I don't understand!

[Ansgar Seraph]

Sound and fury, if you ask me:

WHD News Release: (08/31/2011)

The proposal would strengthen current child labor regulations prohibiting agricultural work with animals and in pesticide handling, timber operations, manure pits and storage bins. It would prohibit farmworkers under age 16 from participating in the cultivation, harvesting and curing of tobacco. And it would prohibit youth in both agricultural and nonagricultural employment from using electronic, including communication, devices while operating power-driven equipment.

The department also is proposing to create a new nonagricultural hazardous occupations order that would prevent children under 18 from being employed in the storing, marketing and transporting of farm product raw materials. Prohibited places of employment would include country grain elevators, grain bins, silos, feed lots, stockyards, livestock exchanges and livestock auctions.

Additionally, the proposal would prohibit farmworkers under 16 from operating almost all power-driven equipment. A similar prohibition has existed as part of the nonagricultural child labor provisions for more than 50 years. A limited exemption would permit some student learners to operate certain farm implements and tractors, when equipped with proper rollover protection structures and seat belts, under specified conditions.

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[ke7ejx]

OBVIOUSLY, that means there's something about this I don't understand!

I didn't specify WHAT I agreed with.

What I agree with is that Obama and his liberal administration are trying to creep further into controlling our homes. Not to mention the other ways our civil rights are being trampled.