Religous prefer Romney. Non-religous prefer Obama.

[Seasanctuary]

I think Romney's position is to let the individual states decide this for themselves. It should not be a federal issue. The federal govt. has usurped much more power than the Founders intended. This has caused some real problems.

And solved some real problems too. There was originally very little in the way of personal rights protected by the Federal government.

With the states deciding on this issue, you can then choose to live in state where abortion takes place, or you can choose to live in a state where it is prohibited.

True, but the same applies to other issues. Where would we be if racial discrimination had been left up to the states? "Move to Maine if you want an interracial marriage or send your kids to the whites' school"? What if you lived in a state that decided to ban homeschooling and parochial schools? Or private possession of firearms? These rights are guaranteed to all Americans right now precisely because the federal government has "usurped" power from the states.

Don't want abortion to be a right? Fine. Argue for a right to life, legal personhood for the unborn, etc. But if you're going to try to get rid of abortion by winding the clock back to the way things were before the Reconstruction amendments, please consider the total cost.

[nickcopernicus]

"I won".

Nick:
Small favour....what does this mean?

[nickcopernicus]

Precisely,
I don't think we are actually disagreeing on much.

Nick:
Exactly, this is why my reply will be rather short.

Jaecp:
Comparing it to Glenn Beck is a bit much though, isn't it? The guy was brought on to make the rest of Fox's stuff look sane by comparison.

Nick:
Remember that a few years back Beck was actually on CNN. My first experience with him was a piece he did on America gone broke. It seemed well reasoned. I agreed with a lot of what he had to say at the time. Unfortunately, he seems to have taken a few crazy pills since then. I haven’t seen a lot of Rachel Maddow. Indeed, that was probably only the second time I’ve seen anything done by her. (I don’t watch TV) so I can’t really make a good call as to her tendency to back things up or not.

Jaecp:
…Also, I thought Bain owned Toy's R Us, the company etch-a-sketch said was exerting demands for cheaper products, not that Bain owned the etch a sketch.

Nick:
You’re correct. I miswrote this.

Jaecp:
[…] Plus, part of her point was the huge number of these lies compared to average politicians.
Romney seems like, well, a special case.

Nick:
Well, her chopping off the speeches was my only real problem with the work.

But looking at the responses you’ve gotten for this video……You can’t be surprised.

Cheers,

Nick

[Darth Executor]

Nick:
Small favour....what does this mean?

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2009/0...-to-gop-i-won/

In other words, it was a very short way of saying the idea that Obama is willing to compromise with Republicans is ridiculous and I question the intelligence of anyone who tries to peddle that crap here. The only compromise Obama offers are fake ones he knows Republicans will never accept. Heck, he single-handedly cratered a compromise between congress dems and reps on the debt ceiling:

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/nationa...RMqnrIbhaoGt7I

What you and jacep or whatever his name is try to peddle as compromise is actually just gross incompetence.

[Cow Poke]

You'll get more thinking done if you do less shouting. What you've got there is a profound case of bad arithmetic. You can do better than that.

What "arithmetic" is involved in proving that liberals CAN give money to the government money if they want to? It's FACT.

[Jaecp]

Nick:
Exactly, this is why my reply will be rather short.

Mhmm,

Did you like the video I PM'd you? ;p

Nick:
Remember that a few years back Beck was actually on CNN. My first experience with him was a piece he did on America gone broke. It seemed well reasoned. I agreed with a lot of what he had to say at the time. Unfortunately, he seems to have taken a few crazy pills since then. I haven’t seen a lot of Rachel Maddow. Indeed, that was probably only the second time I’ve seen anything done by her. (I don’t watch TV) so I can’t really make a good call as to her tendency to back things up or not.

Yeah, John Stewart did a great piece of that before Glenn left Fox.

My thoughts on the matter is that Glenn was brought on to Fox to push the Overton window farther to the right, that early on he was just doing what his bosses at fox wanted. A guy to make the less crazy stuff seem normal by comparison.

After awhile, and the reason he was "let go" was because he started to believe his own BS.

Nick:
Well, her chopping off the speeches was my only real problem with the work.

But looking at the responses you’ve gotten for this video……You can’t be surprised.

Cheers,

Nick

I'm not surprised, not really, and especially not with OC's reaction since, well, I don't see him in this forum for weeks and then he'll make 3 Pro Romney/Anti-Obama threads and give us a few doses of right wing talking points before leaving again.

[SarahB]

Facts? Sorry, but Rachael Maddow's show is pretty much a practice in, "Republicans bad, democrats good " sort of rhetoric. As for the 'facts' yeah, I'm sure reporting what Newt Grinch's ring tone is is sure something news worthy.

Loosen up, Sister. It was funny that the master masculine Newtster has Dancing Queen as his ringtone. Just a little levity on the show. You really should watch; you could learn a lot.

Edited to add: It really doesn't take long to find her being loose with facts, much as many other talking heads on TV are. Here is one where she opened her mouth and quickly seems to have been pretty well refuted and this one is from this month!

That was a hit-piece, Crystal. Really, watch the show; even if you can't allow yourself to agree with her, it would be helpful to understand what she has to say. Plus, she's very sharp and charming.

For you edification: An opinion/person has bias, a person/opinion is biased.

[Jaecp]

Yeah,

Especially since in one of the pieces that that piece referenced, further reading says,

On Tuesday, Maddow conceded that she should have noted that point. But the MSNBC host argued that what the Republicans were doing was drastically "different" than what Democrats had done. She replayed a clip of the House Speaker noting 73 Republicans present, and ignoring a Democrat's call for a count.

"It's one thing to glance around the room, assume you've got your supermajority and bang, gavel it through," Maddow said. "It's another thing to refuse to check your count when the minority side calls you out for the fact that you seem to be lying about that count."

What she's being called on is exactly?

http://video.msnbc.msn.com/the-rache...73330#46973330

9 minutes into this video, thats the big thing.

[Darth Executor]

What "arithmetic" is involved in proving that liberals CAN give money to the government money if they want to? It's FACT.

Shut up and give him your money.

[Cow Poke]

Shut up and give him your money.

I never imagined you for a liberal!

[lilpixieofterror]

Loosen up, Sis...

Sorry Sarah, you're another person I don't bother to read, now go away. Adults are talking.

[nickcopernicus]

[...]
In other words, it was a very short way of saying the idea that Obama is willing to compromise with Republicans is ridiculous and I question the intelligence of anyone who tries to peddle that crap here. [...]

Nick:
....so, in other words, Obama did not compromise on the extension of the Bush Tax Cuts? I mean, he did raise taxes for people making more than $250,000/year?

But don't let the facts get in the way of your ideology.


Cheers,

Nick

[Cow Poke]

Nick:
....so, in other words, Obama did not compromise on the extension of the Bush Tax Cuts? I mean, he did raise taxes for people making more than $250,000/year?

But don't let the facts get in the way of your ideology.


Cheers,

Nick

Obama will do whatever he thinks will keep his butt on Air Force One.

[nickcopernicus]

......And that makes him different than any other politician how?
Any comment on whether he's willing to compromise? How about the Stimulus where he wanted no tax cuts but they were included? How else did the debt ceiling get raised?
Look, there's plenty wrong with the guy. Maybe we should restrict our criticisms there? Pelosicare, for example.

[Darth Executor]

Nick:
....so, in other words, Obama did not compromise on the extension of the Bush Tax Cuts? I mean, he did raise taxes for people making more than $250,000/year?

It wasn't compromise, it was capitulation. What exactly did he get out of it? His only other choice was to let the tax cuts expire and raise taxes on the middle class, which would have confirmed one of the worst stereotypes about Democrats. He played chicken with Republicans, except Obama was riding a kiddie trike and Republicans were riding an Abrams. He already blew all his political capital on passing Obamacare (another atrocity that got carved up just to get through his own party). Like I said, what you see as "compromise" is just incompetence.