More on the RCC

[pancreasman]

Catholic teaching on salvation outside the Catholic church can be easily misunderstood. When I was a Catholic I researched this pretty thoroughly. I do not think it is accurate to state that Catholics believe there is no salvation outside the Church. They have a long and continuing tradition of saying and teaching otherwise.

http://www.catholic.com/tracts/salva...ide-the-church

[Sparko]

BTW, I cannot recall one instance in the Bible where a Prophet of God ever changed the teachings of another Prophet and make the claim that the prior Prophet was incorrect when speaking for the Lord.

Yet that happens all the time in the LDS church.

On Polygamy,
On Blacks being able to join the priesthood
On pretty much anything Brigham Young said.

Don't you call it "new light" or something like that?

People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, Jo.

[mossrose]

As we have presented countless times, we are performing necessary ordinances for a person to be able to enter the Celestial Kingdom perchance they are deemed worthy by God to enter that level of Heaven. It is up to that person to accept or not accept the work being performed on their behalf. BTW, this is off-topic.

Love,

jo

You can cut out saying "love" after every post, jo. It comes across as highly patronizing.

Now, if you had actually read my original post where I asked "Why do you baptize dead people?", you would have seen that it was in response to YOUR post #46, where you said,

So why do members of the RCC do this by praying to dead saints, etc.?

As you can plainly see, my question is not off topic, but is quite appropriate to the discussion that YOU started.

Dead people can't accept salvation. We've presented this countless times. If only you had been paying attention.

Love,

mossy

[eudyptes]

Eudyptes,

Here is Merriam Webster's definition for Icon (emphasis mine):

1: a usually pictorial representation : image
2 [Late Greek eikōn, from Greek] : a conventional religious image typically painted on a small wooden panel and used in the devotions of Eastern Christians
3: an object of uncritical devotion : idol
4: emblem, symbol <the house became an icon of 1960's residential architecture — Paul Goldberger>
5a: a sign (as a word or graphic symbol) whose form suggests its meaning b : a graphic symbol on a computer display screen that usually suggests the type of object represented or the purpose of an available function

It appears to me that when "icon" is used for religious intent, that it IS an idol.

Love,

jo

so...do no study on the subject...quote dictionary, grab the definition that meets your predetermined needs...and twist things to fit what you want......

your "scholarship" (and I use the term very loosely) lacks much to be desired....but then you've repeatedly proven that in this thread, so I'm not really surprised

[Sparko]

so...do no study on the subject...quote dictionary, grab the definition that meets your predetermined needs...and twist things to fit what you want......

your "scholarship" (and I use the term very loosely) lacks much to be desired....but then you've repeatedly proven that in this thread, so I'm not really surprised

Give her a break. That's more scholarship than she has ever done previously. it's progress!

[Catholicity]

Give her a break. That's more scholarship than she has ever done previously. it's progress!

so what's congress......

[One Bad Pig]

That's interesting. Since the Pope is the Vicar of Christ, can you tell me if it was man who changed his stance, or was it Christ who changed His "stance". If it was NOT Christ who changed His stance, then you are admitting that the Popes have been misrepresenting Christ. To which I reply, thank you!!

Huh? I'm not Roman Catholic, so I do not believe that the pope is the vicar of Christ; the pope is at most a vicar of Christ.

Actually, this was one of the biggest reasons for the Great Schism. Are you telling me that the Eastern Orthodox Churches didn't believe that the RCC believes this?

I'm telling you that the Real Presence of the eucharist is Orthodox as well as Roman Catholic; it's got nothing to do with the Great Schism. The bread and wine become the body and blood of Christ through the action of the Holy Spirit in response to the prayer of the celebrant, not because "the man blesses it."

Also, I thought I would point out quickly concerning idols, in response to the link you provided, the RCC conveniently neglected to provide information on what happened to the bronze serpent which Moses had been instructed to create:

2 Kings 18:4 (KJV) (btw, this is teaching us what the Prophet, Hezekiah, had to do)

He removed the high places, and brake the images, and cut down the groves, and brake in pieces the brasen serpent that Moses had made: for unto those days the children of Israel did burn incense to it: and he called it Nehushtan.

Why would the RCC not include this??

Love,

jo

Perhaps because it was an example of image veneration gone awry. It was also made at God's command after the Ten Commandments were given, so it's just possible that the command should not be interpreted to mean that all images are bad.

Oh, and Hezekiah was a king, not a prophet.

[Cow Poke]

As we have presented countless times, we are performing necessary ordinances for a person to be able to enter the Celestial Kingdom perchance they are deemed worthy by God to enter that level of Heaven.

If they are deemed worthy by God to enter Heaven, why do you guys need to mess that up?

Bless your heart

[Sparko]

Jo wanders in, proclaims her idiotic ideas, gets schooled on how idiotic they are, then she disappears. Then she comes back, pretends like nothing happened and repeats her nonsense. She is a broken record.

[Sparko]

Eudyptes,

Here is Merriam Webster's definition for Icon (emphasis mine):

1: a usually pictorial representation : image
2 [Late Greek eikōn, from Greek] : a conventional religious image typically painted on a small wooden panel and used in the devotions of Eastern Christians
3: an object of uncritical devotion : idol
4: emblem, symbol <the house became an icon of 1960's residential architecture — Paul Goldberger>
5a: a sign (as a word or graphic symbol) whose form suggests its meaning b : a graphic symbol on a computer display screen that usually suggests the type of object represented or the purpose of an available function

It appears to me that when "icon" is used for religious intent, that it IS an idol.

Love,

jo

Oh boy!!! Can I play that game too, Jo?

Here is the Merriam Webster's definition for Idol (emphasis mine):

1: a representation or symbol of an object of worship; broadly : a false god
2: a likeness of something
4: an object of extreme devotion <a movie idol>; also : ideal 2

It appears to me that Moroni on the top of your temples is a likeness of something so it IS an idol.

Love,

Sparko

[mossrose]

Oh, and Hezekiah was a king, not a prophet.

Oh no! I guess I have to rip that book out of my Bible then!!!!!

[mossrose]

Oh boy!!! Can I play that game too, Jo?

Here is the Merriam Webster's definition for Idol (emphasis mine):

1: a representation or symbol of an object of worship; broadly : a false god
2: a likeness of something
4: an object of extreme devotion <a movie idol>; also : ideal 2

It appears to me that Moroni on the top of your temples is a likeness of something so it IS an idol.

Love,

Sparko

Deja vu!

[Sparko]

I don't really know why we bother arguing with Jo. She is obviously deranged. You can't argue with crazy.

[Cow Poke]

I don't really know why we bother arguing with Jo. She is obviously deranged. You can't argue with crazy.

Every once in a while, Jo needs attention, so she acts out.


Bless her heart.

[pancreasman]

I don't really know why we bother arguing with Jo. She is obviously deranged. You can't argue with crazy.

You forgot to say 'Love, Sparko' which makes everything all right.