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April 29th 2012, 08:11 PM #1
One or three and a human too?
Is the G-d of the Bible one or three and human too? :pray:' Mainstream Christianity worships a Triune God who also is human. Judaism emphasizes - since almost some 4000 years until now - the Oneness of God and strictly rejects - since almost some 1800 years until now - the Christian concept of God in human form.'
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April 29th 2012, 08:22 PM #2
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Male - AgnosticRe: One or three and a human too?
The Christian line is:
One God. The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit are all God but are not the same person. Jesus is both fully human and fully God.
/threadLast edited by Chrs; April 29th 2012 at 08:30 PM.
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April 29th 2012, 09:03 PM #3
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April 29th 2012, 09:07 PM #4
Re: One or three and a human too?
Add 1: One as in the Hebrew Shema
'Shema Yisrael (or Sh'ma Yisrael or just Shema) (Hebrew: שְׁמַע יִשְׂרָאֵל; "Hear, [O] Israel") are the first two words of a section of the Torah (Hebrew Bible) that is a centerpiece of the morning and evening Jewish prayer services. The first verse encapsulates the monotheistic essence of Judaism: "Hear, O Israel: the Lord is our God, the Lord is one," found in Deuteronomy 6:4'
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April 29th 2012, 09:17 PM #5
Re: One or three and a human too?
Add 2: Three seperate gods?
Tritheism is the belief that there are three distinct, powerful gods, who form a triad. Generally three gods are envisaged as having separate powers and separate supreme beings or spheres of influence but working together. In this respect tritheism differs from dualism, which typically envisages two opposed Divine powers in conflict with one another.
Most Christian churches do not believe in or teach tritheism, although some nontrinitarian denominations are sometimes characterized as such. The term is often used as an accusation against others, in accusing a group of holding an alternate view of the Christian doctrine of Trinity.
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April 29th 2012, 09:45 PM #6
Re: One or three and a human too?
Add 3: A composite one?
In Christianity, Sabellianism, (also known as modalism, modalistic monarchianism, or modal monarchism) is the nontrinitarian belief that the Heavenly Father, Resurrected Son and Holy Spirit are different modes or aspects of one God, as perceived by the believer, rather than three distinct persons in God Himself.
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April 29th 2012, 09:54 PM #7
Re: One or three and a human too?
Add 4: A father as in a human father?
'In Christian theology, patripassianism is the view that God the Father suffers (from Latin patri- "father" and passio "suffering"). Its adherents believe that God the Father was incarnate and suffered on the cross and that whatever happened to the Son happened to the Father and so the Father co-suffered with the human Jesus on the cross. This view is opposed to the classical theological doctrine of divine apathy. According to classical theology it is possible for Christ to suffer only in virtue of his human nature. The divine nature is incapable of suffering.'
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April 29th 2012, 10:04 PM #8
Re: One or three and a human too?
Add 5: NOT a man?
'First, God is immutable in His essence. His nature and being are infinite, and so, subject to no mutations. There never was a time when He was not; there never will come a time when He shall cease to be. God has neither evolved, grown, nor improved. All that He is today, He has ever been, and ever will be. "I am the Lord, I change not" (Mal. 3:6) is His own unqualified affirmation. He cannot change for the better, for He is already perfect; and being perfect, He cannot change for the worse. Altogether unaffected by anything outside Himself, improvement or deterioration is impossible. He is perpetually the same. He only can say, "I am that I am" (Ex. 3:14). He is altogether uninfluenced by the flight of time. There is no wrinkle upon the brow of eternity. Therefore His power can never diminish nor His glory ever fade.'
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April 29th 2012, 10:17 PM #9
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Add 6: Part masculine and part feminine?
239 By calling God "Father", the language of faith indicates two main things: that God is the first origin of everything and transcendent authority; and that he is at the same time goodness and loving care for all his children. God's parental tenderness can also be expressed by the image of motherhood, (62) which emphasizes God's immanence, the intimacy between Creator and creature. the language of faith thus draws on the human experience of parents, who are in a way the first representatives of God for man. But this experience also tells us that human parents are fallible and can disfigure the face of fatherhood and motherhood. We ought therefore to recall that God transcends the human distinction between the sexes. He is neither man nor woman: he is God. He also transcends human fatherhood and motherhood, although he is their origin and standard: (63) no one is father as God is Father.
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April 29th 2012, 10:18 PM #10
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April 29th 2012, 10:23 PM #11
Re: One or three and a human too?
I have no idea what 'Judeo-Christian' even means. Why not 'Judeo-Islamic' or 'Islami-Christian' while you're at it?
Micah 6:6. With what shall I come before the Lord, bow before the Most High G-d? Shall I come before Him with burnt offerings, with yearling calves? 7. Will the Lord be pleased with thousands of rams, with myriad streams of oil? Shall I give my firstborn for my transgression, the fruit of my body for the sin of my soul? 8. He has told you, O man, what is good, and what the Lord demands of you; but to do justice, to love loving-kindness, and to walk discreetly with your G-d.
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April 29th 2012, 10:28 PM #12
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April 29th 2012, 10:33 PM #13
Re: One or three and a human too?
This explanation from a Messianic Jewish scholar: Dr. Michael Brown might be helpful:
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April 29th 2012, 10:35 PM #14
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Add 7: Just a man?
I am going to tell you how God came to be God. We have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity. I will refute that idea, and take away the veil, so that you may see. … It is the first principle of the Gospel to know for a certainty the character of God and to know...that he was once a man like us.... (“King Follett Discourse,” Journal of Discourses 6:3-4, also in Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, 345-346, and History of the Church, vol. 6, 305-307, emphasis added)
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April 29th 2012, 10:42 PM #15
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Close. I'm interested in examining the Jewish teaching about G-d and Thomas Aquinas's idea of 'God as the Uncaused Cause'
Peace,
Eric
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