Judachrislam

[Tanakh Keeper]

What can and does happen in many and varied settings is members of the three agreeing to work together despite the differences and I think this is good.

Ah-ha, now we're getting somewhere. This is what I meant as "tolerance", whilst you defined it as "reconcilation". So we just had a big mis-understanding.

Yes, I agree with you that religions should work together despite our differences. That is tolerance....or reconcilation if you prefer.

[shunyadragon]

No, it's not a bottom line fact. So we'll chalk it up to ignorance on your part rather than prejudice. One down then.

The different doctrines and dogmas that indeed separate are indeed factual doctrines such as the Trinity. Each religion considers their own religious scriptures to have primacy and in reality not reconcilable. In Islam the Koran is God's Holy Book and the Standard by which all other scripture is measured, not acceptable in any form from the Jewish and Christian perspective. There is absolutely no compromise also from the Jewish and Islamic perspective concerning the New Testament and Christian doctrine and dogma of salvation . I will chalk this up to your diliberate ignorance and abusive language and attitude in previous post..

And this has what exactly to do with reconciliation> Reconciliation is not about 100% agreement.

No one here as far as I know has proposed any percentage, but concerning the foundation doctrines of the three religions are not considered reconcilable, such as the Trinity, the reconciliation approaches more like zero.

It's about different points of view being able to exist work and relate together. And I notice you conveniently did not address the inconstancy of of your non reconciliation...

Attempts at coexistence and relate together do not represent reconciliation. This is an appeal to tolerance, so far it has not worked and efforts have significantly deteriorated in recent history.

[shunyadragon]

Ah-ha, now we're getting somewhere. This is what I meant as "tolerance", whilst you defined it as "reconcilation". So we just had a big mis-understanding.

Yes, I agree with you that religions should work together despite our differences. That is tolerance....or reconcilation if you prefer.

Tolerance does not represent reconciliation, because nothing in reality is attempted to reconcile concerning the different beliefs.

[shunyadragon]

Abuse aside, your argument regarding reconciliation of the three Abrahamic religions is.................?

Their history (e.g. anti-Jewish pogroms, the Crusades) to this very day (e.g. Iran/Israel, Al Qaida) is not an encouraging indicator of a deep felt need for reconciliation, quite the reverse. One sees only a desire for each to dominate the other two.

Yes, history has examples of extreme conflict between these religions, and the above mentioned are some of the worst, but the underlying barriers have remained for history, and any coexistence and tolerance has been at best tenuous I believe there has never been any distinct effort from within any of the three religions to reconcile basic beliefs, doctrines and dogma. .

[shunyadragon]

Think about it?
From Mormonism to Wicca to Islam - and Couldn't Find the TRUTH in Any of Them!!

I think you have made it clear that this applies to anyone who does not believe as you do.

[shunyadragon]

Why? You wouldn't accept any explanation because it wouldn't fit your prejudice. The fact that you think all iterations of those three deal only in absolutes shows either your prejudice or your ignorance. I'll let you tell me which. You see, you've created in your mind a construct of what you think is the total definition of these three and that construct is not accurate universally. Of course it's easier to deal with things when you over simplify them, I get that. The irony is that you say you reconcile all of them, except of course that you don't. This is demonstrated by your assertion that they're all wrong and can not be anything other than wrong.

From . . .

Whatever the Christian bible says is irrelevant.

[shunyadragon]

I mean let's face the facts folks. Uniting the religions is not going to stop the war! People fight wars for other reasons than religious one's and I'd pose that the book of James chapter 4 presents us with a fairly reasonable idea as to where all this sort of thing originates. Coupled with what we are learning about ourselves through the various sources of human insight, I think that there is another issue that needs to be addressed rather than trying to put the religions in a pot and give a stir.

True, I have not trouble with this. The goals and beliefs of the Baha'i Faith is not to unite the three religions, nor the even more impossible task of uniting the religions of the world. Offering reconciliation of the different religious views can only be done on a one by one personal basis. Yes there are other issues to be addressed since the proposal of putting the religions in a pot and stirring is equally unlikely.

The belief of the Baha'i Faith is that the end of the ruinous wars will come with the evolving spiritual nature of humanity and the teachings and laws of the Baha'i Faith become the Standards for the world, some but not all have become the standards of many countries and world organizations like the UN, but not all, which will take some time for humanity to evolve to that point.

[shunyadragon]

Shunya seems to have a very different take on Baha'ism than most Baha'i's I've read, so I'd take whatever he says on the subject with a grain of salt. He's also extremely contrarian, so understand that no matter how reasonable your responses are, don't expect the same back.

It is interesting that, though responded by Head heart with 'song and dance' cartoons, you have been silent as to responding to these accusations when asked to back them.

[shunyadragon]

I'm a Smeagologist and in my tradition as a Christian-Buddhist-Hindu or a Chribudindu we hold to the same beliefs as Jews do with regard to the nature of G-d and in fact as far as we are concerned that is the true Christian position and the same one that Y'shua Ha Massiach taught.

O taste and see that the Lord is good.

I would like more details of what a Smeagologist believes, since upon searching the web, the only one I can find is you.

[headheart]

You know Frank, I'm convinced that if there was no one left argue with you'd still go on arguing with yourself.

You want to know what a Smeagologist is. It's whatever you want it to be, Frank.

Peace,
Eric.

[shunyadragon]

You know Frank, I'm convinced that if there was no one left argue with you'd still go on arguing with yourself.

You want to know what a Smeagologist is. It's whatever you want it to be, Frank.

Peace,
Eric.

I am happy for you that you feel convinced, it must give you warm moist soft feelings sitting in your own. It apparently absolves you from addressing the serious questions, preferring music videos and cartoons.

Tassman came to similar conclusion.

[headheart]

Lonely At The Top
Randy Newman

I've been around the world had my pick of any girl
You'd think I'd be happy but I'm not
Ev'rybody knows my name
But it's just a crazy game oh, it's lonely at the top

Listen to the band, they're playing just for me
Listen to the people paying just for me
All the applause, all the parades
And all the money I have made oh, it's lonely at the top

Listen all you fools out there
Go on and love me, I don't care
Oh, it's lonely at the top
Oh, it's lonely at the top

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Though my first choice was 'Wish You Were Here' by Pink Floyd

'We're just two lost souls
Swimming in a fish bowl,
Year after year,
Running over the same old ground.
And how we found
The same old fears.'

Take care you don't harm yourself with all that stuff.
Peace,
Eric

[magellan004]

Can we please first reconcile our conflicting views of reconciliation before we talk about reconciliation?

[Cerebrum123]

Can we please first reconcile our conflicting views of reconciliation before we talk about reconciliation?

I didn't think it would happen, but I had to give magellan an amen on this post. I happened to find it kind of funny.

[shunyadragon]

Can we please first reconcile our conflicting views of reconciliation before we talk about reconciliation?

No problem, use the dictionary definitions. tolerance is not listed as a synonym of reconciliation.