The Mormon Moment

[Cow Poke]

So, in effect, basically Man's Law trumps God's Law in LDS theology.

Basically.

[Cerebrum123]

LDS might not have the violent history that Islam does, but theologically speaking, they are about the same(well maybe that's a little exaggerated, but the more I see, the more LDS takes on the bad things I see in Islam).

[Cow Poke]

LDS might not have the violent history that Islam does, but theologically speaking, they are about the same(well maybe that's a little exaggerated, but the more I see, the more LDS takes on the bad things I see in Islam).

Well, actually, quite a bit of their violence was former members fighting back, and internal squabbles. While Mormons play the "persecution" card to the max, some of this violence and "persecution" was from excommunicated Church Members, angry at the destruction of the printing press, or by Smith proposing marriage to their wives... even some (maybe even most) of the mob who murdered Smith were former members.

But, yeah, nothing like Islam.

[Cerebrum123]

IMO LDS is more dangerous(I'm going to be as upfront as I can, LDS is a deception, and if not from the devil, than from simply a corrupt human being), as it's more likely to deceive people today than Islam is, especially with all of Islam's "fruits" being so visible in the media.

[OtherCheek]

Why, OC, because you're incapable of defending your position?

"Defending?" I think you mean "incapable of convincing you". Agreed, and that is why I don't even try to convince you. I don't need to convince you, in order to validate my Faith. I don't know how many times we've been over that point. But I wish you could grasp it finally. You apparently don't understand my answers because you don't have the same basis as I do. That's fine. But why do you feel a need to argue as if you were the devil on my shoulder? I'm simply explaining my reasoning as a believer. As a non-believer, it is perfectly reasonable that you can't see eye to eye with that, but your incessant arguing doesn't make sense to me. It's almost as if you needed ME to agree with you in order for you to validate your own beliefs.

[Cow Poke]

"Defending?" I think you mean "incapable of convincing you". Agreed, and that is why I don't even try to convince you. I don't need to convince you, in order to validate my Faith. I don't know how many times we've been over that point. But I wish you could grasp it finally.

Mercy, OC .. simmer down.... I thought we BOTH knew we were speaking just as much to the lurkers and others as to each other. Calm yourself, brother! What I GRASP is that you have been deluded into thinking Smith is a real prophet and the Book of Mormon is real scripture.

You apparently don't understand my answers because you don't have the same basis as I do. That's fine. But why do you feel a need to argue as if you were the devil on my shoulder?

Angel

I'm simply explaining my reasoning as a believer. As a non-believer, it is perfectly reasonable that you can't see eye to eye with that, but your incessant arguing doesn't make sense to me. It's almost as if you needed ME to agree with you in order for you to validate your own beliefs.

Ah, there's that Mormon spin again... No, OC --- I am the believer --- Christians have been believers LONG before Smith appeared on the scene to muck the whole thing up. YOU are the religionist!

Jesus provides a SIMPLE way to Heaven by FAITH in Him, and Smith steps in and makes it much more convoluted, splits Heaven up into "classes", and makes HIMSELF the proprietor, IN EFFECT, of the "best" part of Heaven.....

No, OC --- Smith took God's "Simple Plan of Salvation" and turned it into a whole RELIGION.... I'll stick with Jesus,

[nrajeff]

No, OC --- I am the believer....

"...and you are the infidel" ??

The mantra that has caused so much strife, death and suffering over the centuries....

[Cow Poke]

"...and you are the infidel" ??

I guess if you WANT to be. (but if you look, I actually called him "the religionist", not the infidel)

The mantra that has caused so much strife, death and suffering over the centuries....

Yeah, so tell OC to stop using it!

[Sparko]

"...and you are the infidel" ??

The mantra that has caused so much strife, death and suffering over the centuries....

ahem, OC.

YOU are the one who called CP the "unbeliever" or "infidel" first, you twit. How soon you forget your own words...

I'm simply explaining my reasoning as a believer. As a non-believer, it is perfectly reasonable that you...

CP was just pointing that out to you in his post using irony.

[One Bad Pig]

Lay off the rum a moment, you drunken pirate. Jeff is not OC (but I won't hold my breath waiting for public correction).

[Sparko]

Lay off the rum a moment, you drunken pirate. Jeff is not OC (but I won't hold my breath waiting for public correction).

ah the irony of me telling someone else they didn't read a post correctly

[Cow Poke]

ah the irony of me telling someone else they didn't read a post correctly

The point was valid, however, and in their white shirts and ties, and on bicycles, they all look the same.

going to my room

[Sparko]

They all sound alike to me.

[Cow Poke]

They all sound alike to me.

Well, RevTes is a bit different.

[OtherCheek]

ahem, OC.

YOU are the one who called CP the "unbeliever" or "infidel" first, you twit. How soon you forget your own words...

"Twit." I love it. Thanks. Keep 'em coming.

So now CP DOES believe in the Restored Gospel of Jesus Christ? Great!

Or is he still a non-believer in the Restoration of the Gospel of Jesus Christ?