the age of the earth for the enlightenment of YEC's

[firstfloor]

A good BBC documentary on this subject:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZfJDTDVBfw
I was surprised to hear about “Vestiges of the Natural History of Creation” by Robert Chalmers discussed at 35minutes in the documentary. The 1844 edition is transcribed here:
http://www.gutenberg.org/dirs/etext04/vstc10h.htm
Stop worshiping The Bible, it is a false idol.

[Omega Red]

A good BBC documentary on this subject:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZfJDTDVBfw
I was surprised to hear about “Vestiges of the Natural History of Creation” by Robert Chalmers discussed at 35minutes in the documentary. The 1844 edition is transcribed here:
http://www.gutenberg.org/dirs/etext04/vstc10h.htm
Stop worshiping The Bible, it is a false idol.

FirstFloor, Christians do not worship the Bible. As an object the Bible is probably not even revered to the extent as say the Qu'ran in its physical placement above all other books in one’s library. Why do you think it is an idol to Christians?

[firstfloor]

FirstFloor, Christians do not worship the Bible. As an object the Bible is probably not even revered to the extent as say the Qu'ran in its physical placement above all other books in one’s library. Why do you think it is an idol to Christians?

No, I apreciate that. What I am suggesting is that YEC beliefs are the result of Bible idolatry, by placing unwarranted, worshipful faith in the Bible text.

[Sparko]

I believe the world was created 2 minutes ago. Well, 2 minutes and 10 seconds, er wait 12 sec, no 14.. oh never mind.

[rogue06]

Last Two Minutes Agoism

[headheart]

A good BBC documentary on this subject:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZfJDTDVBfw
I was surprised to hear about “Vestiges of the Natural History of Creation” by Robert Chalmers discussed at 35minutes in the documentary. The 1844 edition is transcribed here:
http://www.gutenberg.org/dirs/etext04/vstc10h.htm
Stop worshiping The Bible, it is a false idol.

Hello nOOb,

Argument by link does not constitute an argument. Now do the hard part and present a cogent argument for us to engage.

A. What does the documentary teach us about the age of the earth?
B. What does the documentary teach us about Young Earth Creationists?
C. Who worships the Bible?
D. Why do you say that the Bible is a false idol?

Now just for you passing curiosity I'm enjoy the documentary and will read you're linked post but remember one thing that when you post like this, the links often go dry and then your opening post is useless to readers etc.

I used to be a King James Only guy and held to the YEC but I changed and not by one word slogans. Now get busy so that you can help all those folks you care about. Kay?

Peace,
Eric.

[magellan004]

A good BBC documentary on this subject:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZfJDTDVBfw
I was surprised to hear about “Vestiges of the Natural History of Creation” by Robert Chalmers discussed at 35minutes in the documentary. The 1844 edition is transcribed here:
http://www.gutenberg.org/dirs/etext04/vstc10h.htm
Stop worshiping The Bible, it is a false idol.

I'm guessing that you call the BBC documentary 'good' because it makes you feel better. I can't for the life of me see any other reason for calling it good. Slick, technically accomplished, patronising - yes, but good? No. On the other hand it is what the Tweb evolutionists and Joe the Plumber think is 'Science'.


Magellan

[Tiggy]

I'm guessing that you call the BBC documentary 'good' because it makes you feel better. I can't for the life of me see any other reason for calling it good. Slick, technically accomplished, patronising - yes, but good? No. On the other hand it is what the Tweb evolutionists and Joe the Plumber think is 'Science'.

Klownshooz

Go ahead Klownshooz. Use your amazing intellect and tell us specifically what the documentary got scientifically wrong. Don't forget to provide your supporting scientific evidence.

- T

[firstfloor]

I can't for the life of me see any other reason for calling it good. Slick, technically accomplished, patronising - yes, but good?Magellan

Good in the sense that, for broadcast television, it covers the subject well, in general way that is understandable to a large fraction of the general public. Do you know of a better example on this subject?

[firstfloor]

Hello nOOb,

Argument by link does not constitute an argument. Now do the hard part and present a cogent argument for us to engage.

A. What does the documentary teach us about the age of the earth?
B. What does the documentary teach us about Young Earth Creationists?
C. Who worships the Bible?
D. Why do you say that the Bible is a false idol?

Now just for you passing curiosity I'm enjoy the documentary and will read you're linked post but remember one thing that when you post like this, the links often go dry and then your opening post is useless to readers etc.

I used to be a King James Only guy and held to the YEC but I changed and not by one word slogans. Now get busy so that you can help all those folks you care about. Kay?

Peace,
Eric.

A. The earth is extremely old. The education is there, at your finger tips, if you want it. YEC's avoid the truth because they misunderstand the Bible.
B. YEC was fairly universal until about 200 years ago. It is now obsolete.
C. Literalists.
D. Literalists miss the point of the Bible - it is not about God, it is about Us, our laws and who we think we owe allegiance to. The reversal leads to idolatry.

[firstfloor]

Further to last entry. Two things are clearly incompatible. Earth geological history as determined scientifically and earth creationist history as determined from Bible analysis. First, one has to be interested in resolving the issue – it is a matter of honesty. The question that arises is: What is the simplest assumption made that puts these two things in contradiction? This is an application of Occams’razor. The answer: Creation stories in the Bible are myths. The contradiction disappears.

[headheart]

Hi firstfloor I see you're new to Theologyweb - Welcome , (your name reminds me of my first pastors website - Ground Level Faith )

I spend quite a lot time listening to lectures at Faraday Institute of Science and Religion and from what I can make out:

A. I know what YEC believe, I used to be one. It's a mixture of many things and each person is different. We put these name tags on people but people often hold beliefs that vary from person to person. Anyhow from what I'm learning there is no reference to the exact age of the earth in the Bible. We have to depend up Geologists. I used to believe in a young earth but thanks to very smart friends who were wise not to bounce my head against the curb, I eventually got beyond that and began opening up to idea that it was a lot older than the Creationist literature was teaching me. I used to read Kent Hovind books and watch his videos but eventually due to my studies in Theology and Textual Criticism (oddly it would come from that place) I opened up and now love to read Biology and Science book and am even learning Physics from my youngest son's college text book.) LOL!
B. Don't kid yourself, it's still alive and kicking in the US of A. It's not a popular belief but the die hards will always cling to stuff until they too are ready to move on. Some never do. It's not a bother to me, as long as they don't try to de-convert me. LOL
C. Some do, some don't. I was a literalist but did not worship the Bible, I just had a very high view of the Christian sacred texts. When I attended Hebrew school they taught us the deep respect that Jews have for the Torah which is close to worship but not worship. I can understand people feeling strongly about the Bible but idolatry is forbidden and therefore I don't think you'll find that except maybe in cult groups or crackpots.
D. I think you need to study theology and the Bible more, it seems you don't know the first thing about it. Pity I thought you were an informed person. Here's a point in question, who is the main character in the Bible?

Peace,
Eric

[phank]

Pity I thought you were an informed person. Here's a point in question, who is the main character in the Bible?

No, I think firstfloor is a step ahead of you. The question is, who invented the main character in the bible, and for what purpose?

[Jorge]

I'm guessing that you call the BBC documentary 'good' because it makes you feel better. I can't for the life of me see any other reason for calling it good. Slick, technically accomplished, patronising - yes, but good? No. On the other hand it is what the Tweb evolutionists and Joe the Plumber think is 'Science'.

Magellan

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Agreed!

Just more of the ever-increasing propaganda of the Evo-Faithful.

Jorge

[Jorge]

Good in the sense that, for broadcast television, it covers the subject well, in general way that is understandable to a large fraction of the general public. Do you know of a better example on this subject?

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Agreed, it is "good in the general way that it is understandable to a large fraction of the general public".
But that doesn't mean squat. An evil dictator can make his policies understandable to a large fraction
of the general public but that does not make these policies either "good" or scientifically accurate.

Plain and simple : that documentary was expressing the ideology / the metaphysic / the religious view
known as Naturalism and its main tenet: Evolution. I saw much more 'religion' than I did 'science'.
It may be the consensus ... it may be what you have chosen to believe ... just don't call it "science".

Move on folks, move on .... nothing here to see.

Jorge