Arizona Bans NON-Abortion Planned Parenthood funding

[Ansgar Seraph]

Well, I've heard some pretty stupid Planned Parenthood ads in my day (the "Mile High" ad comes to mind) but I can't remember one where PP actually encouraged teenagers to have "open, free sex with as many partners as they wish." Even if you can't link to such sites, I'd like to be directed to them. Planned Parenthood's teen section on their own site appears entirely responsible.

The average cost of a mammogram is $102, apparently. For many people, however, the cost of a mammogram at Planned Parenthood is $0. There are no state laws that I'm aware of currently operating that mandate free mammogram tests for women in vulnerable age groups. This is likely true of many of the services Planned Parenthood offers.

So here's the dilemma and here's why I support Planned Parenthood: all of the attempts at defunding Planned Parenthood are justified as being proxy wars to shut down PP's abortion services. So to prevent PP from using 3% of it's funds (all 3% are private funds, mind) for abortion services, people are justifying killing off the rest of what PP does (35% STI/STD screening and treatment, 35% contraception services, 16% cancer screening and prevention, 10% other women's health services) . . . and replacing it with what? A vague dismissal to "go see a doctor" — while many of the same people are hell-bent on making it harder for the people who need Planned Parenthood's services to get the insurance necessary to receive affordable preventative care.

That's why I support Planned Parenthood. Because there isn't a comparable network set up to handle the same need. And the people trying to defund PP are also the people trying to repeal the very health care law that could make Planned Parenthood's existence unnecessary. It's a stunning coup de grâce attempt that has no practical safety net for the people who will lose PP's services. It's not discussed. It's not planned.

Do we want to end as many abortions as possible? Yes. Maybe our goals are different from Planned Parenthood's in that regard. But you're not going get there by systematically undoing preventative care or by making quality of life for poorer patients worse. We'll get there by supporting pregnancy care centers, extending outreach, competing with and outperforming Planned Parenthood at all the other services it provides (and, yes, that includes contraceptive services). There are practical, empirically-validated methods for reducing the number of abortions regionally and nationally. But the people shouting loudest about the immorality of abortion seem to also be the people most opposed to these methods. Attempting to reconcile these two oppositional behaviors has so far proved impossible for me.

—Sam

[Hamster]

So to prevent PP from using 3% of it's funds (all 3% are private funds, mind) for abortion services,

The annual report for fiscal year 2008-2009 does not include abortion or adoption figures, but a PPFA Fact Sheet posted on its Web site and said to be current as of September 2010, states that 324,008 abortions were performed at Planned Parenthood clinics around the country in 2008.

According to PPFA’s annual report for fiscal year 2007-2008, in 2007 Planned Parenthood’s “adoption referrals to other agencies” totaled 4,912. In Fiscal Year 2010 that number was 841, a decrease of 82.8 percent.

The PPFA Fact Sheet states that adoption is included in 1 percent of services in 2008 (primary care and “other services” are included in that 1 percent), or 2,405 adoption referrals.

The latest annual report claims that abortion services make up 3 percent of “medical services,” but PPFA states it served 3 million people and performed 329,445 abortions – numbers that show 11 percent of customers received an abortion.

people are justifying killing off the rest of what PP does (35% STI/STD screening and treatment, 35% contraception services, 16% cancer screening and prevention, 10% other women's health services) . .

324,000 human beings a year pay with their lives to help fund those services.

We'll get there by supporting pregnancy care centers, extending outreach, competing with and outperforming Planned Parenthood at all the other services it provides (and, yes, that includes contraceptive services). There are practical, empirically-validated methods for reducing the number of abortions regionally and nationally.

I agree that there should be an alternative to planned parenthood that provides those sorts of things. Or Planned Parenthood could just stop performing abortions

[Jaecp]

Does the legislation do that? Send the money to non abortion medical services?

Also, your confusing medical services with the funding for them and that the women who go to pp facilities likely go there for more than just abortions

[Darth Executor]

Well, I've heard some pretty stupid Planned Parenthood ads in my day (the "Mile High" ad comes to mind) but I can't remember one where PP actually encouraged teenagers to have "open, free sex with as many partners as they wish." Even if you can't link to such sites, I'd like to be directed to them. Planned Parenthood's teen section on their own site appears entirely responsible.

I've seen such an ad (not as overt of course but the gist of it was to get 13 year olds to call some line to discuss their sexual experiences) on a bus around Toronto a few years ago.

So here's the dilemma and here's why I support Planned Parenthood:

Because "the means do not justify the ends" only applies when it's convenient?

[OU812]

Nick:
In other words, you're right on board with Conservatives' war on women. I guess that makes you a soldier in the Army of god. Keep that shield of faith held high as it preserves your ignorance and misogyny.

nickcopernicus =

[Hamster]

I officially declare war on all women, the bombing begins at sunset

[Darth Executor]

Nick:
In other words, you're right on board with Conservatives' war on women. I guess that makes you a soldier in the Army of god. Keep that shield of faith held high as it preserves your ignorance and misogyny.

For all his many, considerable faults, nobody can say Obama isn't socially savvy. The way he wields armies of imbeciles like they were his own limbs is incredible. I doubt even he realized how easily the hordes of orangutans that serve under him would absorb his absurd propaganda and integrate it into their daily vocabulary.

[theblueprint_Ni]

Nick:
Any evidence for your claims? Specifically being currupt and quadrupling abortions?

Cheers,

Nick

As for corruption, multiple and pending charges of performing illegal abortions and siphoning state and federal moneys. It may sound rhetorical but I think it more fitting, do you have any proof that they wouldn't? Have you heard of Margaret Sanger? Abortion is their MO. That's what they are. Planned Parenthood was founded on the philosophy that unplanned, undesired, and unfunded children are a blight, especially those of the poor, therefore they are better off disposed.

[theblueprint_Ni]

Planned parenthood also distributes contraception which would stop people from having an abortion. Arizona is banning that use, which means they're causing people to have more abortions.

That's passive and indirect causation. No contraceptives does not equal abortion. No one can stop a woman from desiring an abortion, but we cans limit her means and provide services that would encourage her to embrace her pregnancy instead of despising it. That's why I talked about culture shift. It's not enough simply to end legal abortions, but to promote the high honor that women have to usher new life into the world.

[theblueprint_Ni]

Nick:
In other words, you're right on board with Conservatives' war on women. I guess that makes you a soldier in the Army of god. Keep that shield of faith held high as it preserves your ignorance and misogyny.

You know its not about a war on women. Let's be serious. If we hate women then you hate babies. Isn't that fair?

[OU812]

You know its not about a war on women. Let's be serious. If we hate women then you hate babies. Isn't that fair?

pwnage

[Psychic Missile]

That's passive and indirect causation. No contraceptives does not equal abortion. No one can stop a woman from desiring an abortion, but we cans limit her means and provide services that would encourage her to embrace her pregnancy instead of despising it. That's why I talked about culture shift. It's not enough simply to end legal abortions, but to promote the high honor that women have to usher new life into the world.

As long as abortion is legal, no contraceptives does equal more abortions. Limiting means is just sweeping the problem under the rug. The best way to stop abortions is to promote sexual education and access to contraception.

Also, honor can't coexist with obligation. Honor is achieved by going above and beyond.

[OtherCheek]

This is what we mean by 'war on women.'

Washington Post

PHOENIX — Gov. Jan Brewer on Friday signed into law a bill to cut off Planned Parenthood’s access to taxpayer money funneled through the state for non-abortion services.

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It's just more proof that conservatives of this brand aren't actually interested in reducing abortions. The proponents' rationale was "to ensure no public money indirectly supports abortion services."

Just one more reason for my disdain of conservative principles.


Cheers,

Nick

LA Times

"The bill, known as the “Whole Woman's Health Funding Priority Act,” tightens existing state regulations and prevents any government entity -- city, county or state -- from giving money to an organization that offers family planning that may indirectly fund abortions."
http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/n...,4712705.story

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I don't see how this would lead to more abortions, Nick. It will teach more responsible behavior, however, as women will now have to pay their own way in order to destroy their own offspring.

[OtherCheek]

As long as abortion is legal, no contraceptives does equal more abortions. Limiting means is just sweeping the problem under the rug. The best way to stop abortions is to promote sexual education and access to contraception.

Also, honor can't coexist with obligation. Honor is achieved by going above and beyond.

A way to stop the bleeding is with a bandaid. But a better way is to stop jabbing one's self with a knife. Rather than just teach sexual education alone, morality should be stressed.

[Jedidiah]

Seriously, what kind of logic is that? Give a company money and they'll kill a few babies but they'll also give people stuff to prevent the process that requires them to kill babies. Why wouldn't I just want to put my funds into something that provides birth control services without abortion?

You can not expect rationality from Nick. At least not any more. Seems a few years back he was rational, what happened?