Parents Must ‘Squash Like A Cockroach’ The Gay Out Of Kids

[Cerebrum123]

We would take issue with an imam preaching to others to suicide bomb. I see no difference in a pastor preaching to others to abuse their children. There's a difference between preaching about your beliefs and directly telling people over whom you have influence to commit a crime.

There is a difference though, Islam's teachings are inherently violent towards all non-Muslims, but you will always find a few "good" verses, but what you need to know is that they are no longer in effect. it's a rule they have called "abrogation". The newer stuff cancels out the old stuff, and Mohammed's later career was that of a violent pirate, and he and his followers did horrible things.

[JimL]

All sin deserves death, so it's nothing particularly unique to gay sex.

Really, then why, if they are all equal, does the God of your belief condemn to death only those who commit particular sins?

Furthermore, like adultery, these acts threatened the family unit which in the ancient world usually threatened survival as well.

So, homosexual behavior threatens the family unit, as well as their survival? How is that Darth?

I suspect draconian measures will become the norm again (not necessarily against gay sex) as the JimLs of the world bring us to ruin.

Yes, be very afraid, we all have to think alike, we all have to think just like Darth or the world will surely come to ruin.

[JimL]

He did give you an answer, you are just too ignorant to recognize it. Heck, you could figure it out on your own just from reading the words if you were genuinely inclined to learn rather than being your usually Dumbfoyd Mary self. Ransom model = you can and usually did pay a fine in lieu of the stated punishment.

Oh, I'm sorry Darth, I don't recall God saying that "they must be put to death" unless they can buy their way out of it. Were those Gods words, or were his words amended some time later?

[Darth Executor]

Really, then why, if they are all equal, does the God of your belief condemn to death only those who commit particular sins?

Because not all sins are equally dangerous to those around you.

So, homosexual behavior threatens the family unit, as well as their survival? How is that Darth?

Because people needed children to help out with labour and take care of them when they were older.

Yes, be very afraid, we all have to think alike, we all have to think just like Darth or the world will surely come to ruin.

For now I would be satisfied if people stopped thinking like you.

[Darth Executor]

Oh, I'm sorry Darth, I don't recall God saying that "they must be put to death" unless they can buy their way out of it. Were those Gods words, or were his words amended some time later?

The OT (and the bible in general) was written for a thousands of years old high context alien culture rather than a 21st century ignoramus who expects everything explained to him in detail.

[JimL]

Because not all sins are equally dangerous to those around you.

Oh poor Darthy, he's afraid homosexuals, they pose a great danger to him.

Because people needed children to help out with labour and take care of them when they were older.

Imagine that, and yet homosexuals have always existed and children are still around. How on earth did that happen?

For now I would be satisfied if people stopped thinking like you.

For now?

[JimL]

The OT (and the bible in general) was written for a thousands of years old high context alien culture rather than a 21st century ignoramus who expects everything explained to him in detail.

So Gods morality is dependent on man?

[Chrawnus]

So Gods morality is dependent on man?

Huh?!

How on earth does the fact that the Bible was written in and for a high context society mean that "God's morality" is dependent on man?

[JimL]

Huh?!

How on earth does the fact that the Bible was written in and for a high context society mean that "God's morality" is dependent on man?

Well, if it applies only to particular cultures, then it is dependent on the culture, ergo it is dependent on man.

[Chrawnus]

Well, if it applies only to particular cultures, then it is dependent on the culture, ergo it is dependent on man.

That wasn't really what DE wrote.

But even so, there are laws in the old covenant that are specific to the culture and time they where written. However, that does not by any stretch of the imagination mean that "God's morality" is dependent on man, it simply means that the way His moral principles are applied is dependent upon the context.

[JimL]

That wasn't really what DE wrote.

But even so, there are laws in the old covenant that are specific to the culture and time they where written. However, that does not by any stretch of the imagination mean that "God's morality" is dependent on man, it simply means that the way His moral principles are applied is dependent upon the context.

Exactly, and the context being the culture means they are dependent on man. Morals either exist or they don't exist, they are either dependent on the culture or they are dependent on god. Besides I don't recall God saying that a homosexual can buy his way out of punishment, all I remember him saying is that he shall surely be put to death.

[lilpixieofterror]

Well, if it applies only to particular cultures, then it is dependent on the culture, ergo it is dependent on man.

Really Jimmy, do you even think before you say stupid things like this? Morality is something specific to humans so of course it is going to depend on the condition of humanity at the time or were you a fundy at one time that thought morality was black/white either/or (even though that isn't found in the Bible)?

[Chrawnus]

Exactly, and the context being the culture means they are dependent on man. Morals either exist or they don't exist, they are either dependent on the culture or they are dependent on god. Besides I don't recall God saying that a homosexual can buy his way out of punishment, all I remember him saying is that he shall surely be put to death.

1. Learn the difference between a law, and the moral principle upon which the law is built. If we take Deuteronomy 22:8 for example, where it is commanded that when you build a house you should also build a parapet/battlement on the roof, to prevent people from accidentally falling of of it, and possibly dying. Now, it's rather clear that the principle is something like "taking safety precautions to keep people from needless harm", but it's clearly naive to expect that this principle would be applied exactly the same in every culture and society, simply because every society doesn't function in the same way. In our society/societies we have laws against downloading copyrighted material without paying for it, which is clearly built upon the principle that stealing is wrong. These laws would be completely useless in an ANE context, but the underlying principle would not.

2. The answer to your statement about not recalling "God saying that a homosexual can buy his way out of punishment" is that the biblical books were written from the perspective of a high-context society, and therefore we shouldn't expect to be able to properly understand them simply by reading them straight off. I don't think the authors of the biblical books anticipated that we who live in a low-context culture would be reading what they wrote, and so they saw no need to spell out certain things that were obvious to the culture in which they lived.

[JimL]

Really Jimmy, do you even think before you say stupid things like this? Morality is something specific to humans so of course it is going to depend on the condition of humanity at the time or were you a fundy at one time that thought morality was black/white either/or (even though that isn't found in the Bible)?

Gee, I thought your Idea of morality was specific to God, if its dependent upon the conditions of man, that would make it relative wouldn't it?

[JimL]

1. Learn the difference between a law, and the moral principle upon which the law is built. If we take Deuteronomy 22:8 for example, where it is commanded that when you build a house you should also build a parapet/battlement on the roof, to prevent people from accidentally falling of of it, and possibly dying. Now, it's rather clear that the principle is something like "taking safety precautions to keep people from needless harm", but it's clearly naive to expect that this principle would be applied exactly the same in every culture and society, simply because every society doesn't function in the same way. In our society/societies we have laws against downloading copyrighted material without paying for it, which is clearly built upon the principle that stealing is wrong. These laws would be completely useless in an ANE context, but the underlying principle would not.

2. The answer to your statement about not recalling "God saying that a homosexual can buy his way out of punishment" is that the biblical books were written from the perspective of a high-context society, and therefore we shouldn't expect to be able to properly understand them simply by reading them straight off. I don't think the authors of the biblical books anticipated that we who live in a low-context culture would be reading what they wrote, and so they saw no need to spell out certain things that were obvious to the culture in which they lived.

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